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  • KeonClark
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Kawhi was pipe dream, too. And I'll be smoking that pipe until I die.
    Difference is, Kawhi came via trade. The real dreamy scenario is how little we paid for him.

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  • golden
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    I hate the idea of "blowing it up." If we can't get Giannis (and i agree with Keon that it's a pipe dream, albeit less-so than KD in 2017) I'd rather just stay the course with our current team with Fred and Serge transitioning into bigger roles over Kyle and Marc. Re-sign them to reasonable deals and if Giannis wants to come then I trust the front office can get creative and make the room. It happens all the time.

    I want no part of overpaying Oladipo or Gobert or whoever in free agency. Gobert can't even stay on the floor in the playoffs and his teammates don't seem to like him.
    Kawhi was pipe dream, too. And I'll be smoking that pipe until I die.

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  • chris
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    planetmars wrote: View Post

    I'm anti-Gobert too.. I just mentioned him a potential Center replacement for Serge/Marc in 2021.

    I'm a fan of Dipo's though. I wouldn't mind him at all.. although if Norm continues to stay consistent, then he's just as good and much cheaper.
    i like oladipo well enough but he's going to get a max (if he stays healthy next year) and those third-contract max's for non-max guys are the worst value in the sport. i'd rather have a re-signed norm at 15M or whatever than oladipo at 30+. and his best years might already be behind him depending on how he recovers.

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  • KeonClark
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    Oladipo is gonna have to prove he can return from his injury and be an alpha dog again. He has had exactly 1 year where he looked all NBA

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  • planetmars
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    chris wrote: View Post



    I hate the idea of "blowing it up." If we can't get Giannis (and i agree with Keon that it's a pipe dream, albeit less-so than KD in 2017) I'd rather just stay the course with our current team with Fred and Serge transitioning into bigger roles over Kyle and Marc. Re-sign them to reasonable deals and if Giannis wants to come then I trust the front office can get creative and make the room. It happens all the time.

    I want no part of overpaying Oladipo or Gobert or whoever in free agency. Gobert can't even stay on the floor in the playoffs and his teammates don't seem to like him.
    I'm anti-Gobert too.. I just mentioned him a potential Center replacement for Serge/Marc in 2021.

    I'm a fan of Dipo's though. I wouldn't mind him at all.. although if Norm continues to stay consistent, then he's just as good and much cheaper.

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  • chris
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    All in on Giannis, full stop.

    If he stays in Miwaukee or goes elsewhere, you kinda blow it up anyway as Kyle, Gasol and Ibaka could/would/should all be gone. In theory, Ibaka could still fit as a 31 year old but it would be Siakam and Fred's team (if FVV is still here). In any event, this is an entirely new team in 2 years with almost no one left from the Championship team
    planetmars wrote: View Post
    Masai has made it a habit to stay cap neutral for 2021. I don't think he'll break that for Serge and Marc.. but I also still think we can bring them both back on large 1+1 deals. Term of course is important especially when guys get hurt all the time. But this season will suck for free agents because the cap is going to come down. If they wait a year they might get paid more.

    I think we should overpay to keep Marc and Serge for the year. Give them each $20M deals and then look at the landscape in 2021. If Giannis stays (which seems likely) then we bring Marc and Serge back again or look for another player to replace them (like Gobert).
    I hate the idea of "blowing it up." If we can't get Giannis (and i agree with Keon that it's a pipe dream, albeit less-so than KD in 2017) I'd rather just stay the course with our current team with Fred and Serge transitioning into bigger roles over Kyle and Marc. Re-sign them to reasonable deals and if Giannis wants to come then I trust the front office can get creative and make the room. It happens all the time.

    I want no part of overpaying Oladipo or Gobert or whoever in free agency. Gobert can't even stay on the floor in the playoffs and his teammates don't seem to like him.

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  • G__Deane
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    golden wrote: View Post

    The other A-lister is Embiid.... as the replacement for Gasol & Ibaka. Giannis wants to play with his "African Brothers". It has been foretold.




    Notice Giannis' first 2 picks?





    And pick 17

    I'd be OK giving it a run with Pascal, Embiid and Giannis. The PEG line ....
    I personally think the A-lister that needs to come with Giannis is an emerging up and comer, not established in 2020 yet.

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  • golden
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    All in on Giannis, full stop.

    If he stays in Miwaukee or goes elsewhere, you kinda blow it up anyway as Kyle, Gasol and Ibaka could/would/should all be gone. In theory, Ibaka could still fit as a 31 year old but it would be Siakam and Fred's team (if FVV is still here). In any event, this is an entirely new team in 2 years with almost no one left from the Championship team

    I think part of the pitch to Giannis is "we have a great city and fans, Siakam and FVV, a blank slate and a pot full of money. Who esle do you want to play with?" Both LA teams should be less of a factor by then at least one in the duos of lebron and PG plus Harden, Westbrook, Kyrie and Durant are all on the downside.

    Siakam and The Alphabet could kill it for years. In addition to bringing in someone of Giannis' choosing out of his A class, if Masai could work some magic and bring in another A-lister before the big FA year, I think he stocks the odds in Toronto's favour a bit further.
    The other A-lister is Embiid.... as the replacement for Gasol & Ibaka. Giannis wants to play with his "African Brothers". It has been foretold.




    Notice Giannis' first 2 picks?






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  • G__Deane
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    KeonClark wrote: View Post

    There will never be a blow up as long as masai is here imo. Pascal is already a top 15 player. Masai drafts nba rotation players in his sleep. We got nurse, We're in the east and we chug along and win 50. Of course you try for giannis but it's as much of a pipe dream as the kd talks in 2015 (remember drake, or kd saying Raptors used to be his favorite team lol)

    clear space for the big name free agent has been the New York Knicks strategy since Patrick Ewing left. And, well..nuff said
    I hesitated to use the term blow it up since clearly Masai won't and we don't have to.
    The point I was making is the team will be totally rebuilt by then, with or without Giannis; Kyle, Marc and Serge (likely) all gone.

    Pipe dream, probably. But aside from the tenuous ties to Masai, Giannis is Ujiri's kind of guy. "Euro-Greek-African-global", long and athletic, never an azzhole (important to MLSE) and a marketing dream. And a guy who has no ties to play at home or the US.

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  • planetmars
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    Masai has made it a habit to stay cap neutral for 2021. I don't think he'll break that for Serge and Marc.. but I also still think we can bring them both back on large 1+1 deals. Term of course is important especially when guys get hurt all the time. But this season will suck for free agents because the cap is going to come down. If they wait a year they might get paid more.

    I think we should overpay to keep Marc and Serge for the year. Give them each $20M deals and then look at the landscape in 2021. If Giannis stays (which seems likely) then we bring Marc and Serge back again or look for another player to replace them (like Gobert).

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  • KeonClark
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    All in on Giannis, full stop.

    If he stays in Miwaukee or goes elsewhere, you kinda blow it up anyway as Kyle, Gasol and Ibaka could/would/should all be gone. In theory, Ibaka could still fit as a 31 year old but it would be Siakam and Fred's team (if FVV is still here). In any event, this is an entirely new team in 2 years with almost no one left from the Championship team

    I think part of the pitch to Giannis is "we have a great city and fans, Siakam and FVV, a blank slate and a pot full of money. Who esle do you want to play with?" Both LA teams should be less of a factor by then at least one in the duos of lebron and PG plus Harden, Westbrook, Kyrie and Durant are all on the downside.

    Siakam and The Alphabet could kill it for years. In addition to bringing in someone of Giannis' choosing out of his A class, if Masai could work some magic and bring in another A-lister before the big FA year, I think he stocks the odds in Toronto's favour a bit further.
    There will never be a blow up as long as masai is here imo. Pascal is already a top 15 player. Masai drafts nba rotation players in his sleep. We got nurse, We're in the east and we chug along and win 50. Of course you try for giannis but it's as much of a pipe dream as the kd talks in 2015 (remember drake, or kd saying Raptors used to be his favorite team lol)

    clear space for the big name free agent has been the New York Knicks strategy since Patrick Ewing left. And, well..nuff said

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  • G__Deane
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    S.R. wrote: View Post

    I have such a hard time with this, they each bring something different. A lot of teams also make mistakes trying to predict how good a guy will be in his next contract (whether better or worse). In a way, contracts pay a guy for the year or 2 he played before signing, not for what comes during the contract.

    Holding out hope we might be able to keep both on short deals if players are worried about a dropping cap in the short-term due to lost revenues.

    That aside, which you try to keep will factor into other cap space decisions. If the goal is to win now as much as possible then open up as much cap space as possible for FA signings next summer, then keep Gasol. If Giannis is a pipe dream and you think a Siakam-led team might actually be really good the next few years, then keep Ibaka. Bit of a philosophical choice to be made.
    All in on Giannis, full stop.

    If he stays in Miwaukee or goes elsewhere, you kinda blow it up anyway as Kyle, Gasol and Ibaka could/would/should all be gone. In theory, Ibaka could still fit as a 31 year old but it would be Siakam and Fred's team (if FVV is still here). In any event, this is an entirely new team in 2 years with almost no one left from the Championship team

    I think part of the pitch to Giannis is "we have a great city and fans, Siakam and FVV, a blank slate and a pot full of money. Who esle do you want to play with?" Both LA teams should be less of a factor by then at least one in the duos of lebron and PG plus Harden, Westbrook, Kyrie and Durant are all on the downside.

    Siakam and The Alphabet could kill it for years. In addition to bringing in someone of Giannis' choosing out of his A class, if Masai could work some magic and bring in another A-lister before the big FA year, I think he stocks the odds in Toronto's favour a bit further.

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  • S.R.
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    KeonClark wrote: View Post

    The problem has never been Serge or marc right now, gasol is clearly the superior player. But his window his closing fast. His brother declined at 36 and went off a cliff at 38. Marc will turn 36 during next season. You're hoping to squeeze 2 more years out of his old banged up body.

    Serge on the other hand is 30 and you could argue had lowkey the best year of his career last year. They're very different players that have fairly different roles and have already shown they can play together in the new nba, in a perfect world you keep both. Although I'm just a dreamer and think we're losing at least one.
    I have such a hard time with this, they each bring something different. A lot of teams also make mistakes trying to predict how good a guy will be in his next contract (whether better or worse). In a way, contracts pay a guy for the year or 2 he played before signing, not for what comes during the contract.

    Holding out hope we might be able to keep both on short deals if players are worried about a dropping cap in the short-term due to lost revenues.

    That aside, which you try to keep will factor into other cap space decisions. If the goal is to win now as much as possible then open up as much cap space as possible for FA signings next summer, then keep Gasol. If Giannis is a pipe dream and you think a Siakam-led team might actually be really good the next few years, then keep Ibaka. Bit of a philosophical choice to be made.

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  • KeonClark
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    NeedTristanThompson wrote: View Post

    HA well hope he's had enough recovery time by now! A gr8 situation in some ways, this pandemic offseason



    Wow. I knew he was good, and I've watched lots of Raps ball but seeing it all together like that... wow. Just wow. Who cares about Serge, sry tbh. Like sign both if possible but damn. Who knew MG was the key to unlocking Freddy boy?!?! Srsly who even needs Giannis at this point. We're already gr8. I mean take him if he's there but DAMn.
    The problem has never been Serge or marc right now, gasol is clearly the superior player. But his window his closing fast. His brother declined at 36 and went off a cliff at 38. Marc will turn 36 during next season. You're hoping to squeeze 2 more years out of his old banged up body.

    Serge on the other hand is 30 and you could argue had lowkey the best year of his career last year. They're very different players that have fairly different roles and have already shown they can play together in the new nba, in a perfect world you keep both. Although I'm just a dreamer and think we're losing at least one.

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  • NeedTristanThompson
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    golden wrote: View Post

    The problem is in the playoffs when the opposition backs off Gasol, leaves him open and he won't shoot. Same thing with Lowry. That's when you need Kawhi.
    Hm sounds 2 tru :/

    Pascal???? Can he do it?!?!?

    Serge will shoot as well. He's nvr afraid of that mid range.

    AND NORM

    That's our Kawhi replacement. The New NORM-al, Norm is on the POWELL

    That man. 6th man of the yr if u take away the injuries. Plus he's already playoff Powell.

    U heard it here first: A FORTY POINT NP GAME IS COMING IN THIS NBA RESTART BE READY

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