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  • KHD
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    Puffer wrote: View Post

    Dan, I admire the way you deal with some posters statements, as if they are serious and need due consideration, as opposed to simply calling them out for simply being ill considered or bereft of any factual content. You are a better man than most of us.
    That's cause he's an impact poster.

    I just come here to post meaningless opinions that don't contribute to success. The Ricky Davis posting method.

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  • GLF
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    Puffer wrote: View Post

    Dan, I admire the way you deal with some posters statements, as if they are serious and need due consideration, as opposed to simply calling them out for simply being ill considered or bereft of any factual content. You are a better man than most of us.
    Couldn't agree more. Always backs his statements up with proof and stats while a lot of others just talk out of their ass with no proof. And then people wonder why I'm team Dan H lol.

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  • Puffer
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    Both PIPM and RPM have JV as a positive impact player, above average, and top-30 among C's with 20+ MPG. Both have him as a higher impact player than Serge Ibaka, for example. Plus there's the fairly obvious impact he had when in the correct role on the performance of the star players and the starting lineup, if one bothered to look.

    Never mind that impact is only half the equation - you also need production and he's an elite producer. Elite producers allow you to stock your roster with more low-production, high-impact players. It's very hard to find players elite at both (those are called superstar players). So it's best to find guys who can be great at one and not hurt you in the other - this year's Lowry, for example, has seen his production fall off from his star status of previous years, but his impact is still great, and having other players able to pick up the raw production slack helps him maximize that impact. That was essentially DeRozan's tradeoff, though he was purely average, rather than above average, in impact until last year, and his weaknesses were such that he could sustain neither his production nor his average impact into the playoffs, something we have not seen happen with JV, who anchored or even saved this team in several playoff series. Gasol has actually developed into an only-one type of player, as he's more of an impact driver than a producer. That does mean the team is more limited with how to deploy him (he needs producers around him), but it's not a bad problem to have, as the team does have a couple top notch producers who can carry them for 48 minutes if properly deployed in Kawhi and Pascal, and Serge has grown a little into a secondary producer role (though that does't help with Gasol).

    That said, playing inside out would have been a bad idea - poor maximization of the team he was part of. His role as a high gravity roll man and screen setter, rim protector and rebound threat on both ends was pretty much ideal, give or take a little more emphasis on the pass in those PnR situations and more minutes, both overall and with the right lineups.

    In all, the trade is a bet that the production the team will get from Kawhi and Siakam will be enough to allow their complementary production pieces to fill in the rest, and allow impact players like Green, VanVleet, Lowry and Gasol to get the team clicking on all cylinders. Before the trade they had more of a balance of production/impact, a little more robustness to minutes without Kawhi or Siakam. Now they are all in on those two, and probably hoping for more production from Lowry come the playoffs. And that's fine - I can't blame them for making that bet. But the deal is not some guaranteed win because JV was some net zero.
    Dan, I admire the way you deal with some posters statements, as if they are serious and need due consideration, as opposed to simply calling them out for simply being ill considered or bereft of any factual content. You are a better man than most of us.

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  • DanH
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post

    He's actually not an impact player. He's a player who puts up great, efficient individual offensive and rebounding numbers that have almost zero impact on the outcome of the game. All the advanced stats bear that out. He's a net zero out there. Better than being a net negative but he's not an impact player. And some clowns here wanted to play an "inside-out" system for the past 3 years where we built around him. Brainless.
    Both PIPM and RPM have JV as a positive impact player, above average, and top-30 among C's with 20+ MPG. Both have him as a higher impact player than Serge Ibaka, for example. Plus there's the fairly obvious impact he had when in the correct role on the performance of the star players and the starting lineup, if one bothered to look.

    Never mind that impact is only half the equation - you also need production and he's an elite producer. Elite producers allow you to stock your roster with more low-production, high-impact players. It's very hard to find players elite at both (those are called superstar players). So it's best to find guys who can be great at one and not hurt you in the other - this year's Lowry, for example, has seen his production fall off from his star status of previous years, but his impact is still great, and having other players able to pick up the raw production slack helps him maximize that impact. That was essentially DeRozan's tradeoff, though he was purely average, rather than above average, in impact until last year, and his weaknesses were such that he could sustain neither his production nor his average impact into the playoffs, something we have not seen happen with JV, who anchored or even saved this team in several playoff series. Gasol has actually developed into an only-one type of player, as he's more of an impact driver than a producer. That does mean the team is more limited with how to deploy him (he needs producers around him), but it's not a bad problem to have, as the team does have a couple top notch producers who can carry them for 48 minutes if properly deployed in Kawhi and Pascal, and Serge has grown a little into a secondary producer role (though that does't help with Gasol).

    That said, playing inside out would have been a bad idea - poor maximization of the team he was part of. His role as a high gravity roll man and screen setter, rim protector and rebound threat on both ends was pretty much ideal, give or take a little more emphasis on the pass in those PnR situations and more minutes, both overall and with the right lineups.

    In all, the trade is a bet that the production the team will get from Kawhi and Siakam will be enough to allow their complementary production pieces to fill in the rest, and allow impact players like Green, VanVleet, Lowry and Gasol to get the team clicking on all cylinders. Before the trade they had more of a balance of production/impact, a little more robustness to minutes without Kawhi or Siakam. Now they are all in on those two, and probably hoping for more production from Lowry come the playoffs. And that's fine - I can't blame them for making that bet. But the deal is not some guaranteed win because JV was some net zero.

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  • Shaolin Fantastic
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    Just Is wrote: View Post
    What was the point of this? I think by now most get how you feel about JV but this? If you want to talk about the game Gasol is playing; that's fine but you undercut it with this. Whether you want to admit it or not; JV was and is an impact player. That doesn't negate or undo what Gasol does/doesn't do. And a double double is almost never meaningless but it definitely stands out when you say a double double is meaningless but a NEAR triple double isn't.
    He's actually not an impact player. He's a player who puts up great, efficient individual offensive and rebounding numbers that have almost zero impact on the outcome of the game. All the advanced stats bear that out. He's a net zero out there. Better than being a net negative but he's not an impact player. And some clowns here wanted to play an "inside-out" system for the past 3 years where we built around him. Brainless.

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  • Just Is
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
    Near triple double from Gasol today. Only took 4 shots. Led the team in +/- yet again with +22. Massive impact player. But yeah should've kept JV for his meaningless double doubles.
    What was the point of this? I think by now most get how you feel about JV but this? If you want to talk about the game Gasol is playing; that's fine but you undercut it with this. Whether you want to admit it or not; JV was and is an impact player. That doesn't negate or undo what Gasol does/doesn't do. And a double double is almost never meaningless but it definitely stands out when you say a double double is meaningless but a NEAR triple double isn't.

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  • Puffer
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    golden wrote: View Post

    My hot take: Keon vs. Puffer be like.......


    BAMMMM!!

    Somebody knows what they're talkin' about.

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  • golden
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    Puffer wrote: View Post

    Ha Ha Ha. FUCKING validation right THE FUCK there!!!!!!!!!!!

    and NURSE IS A MORON.
    My hot take: Keon vs. Puffer be like.......


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  • Puffer
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    KeonClark wrote: View Post

    FUCK that SHIT!!!!!!
    Ha Ha Ha. FUCKING validation right THE FUCK there!!!!!!!!!!!

    and NURSE IS A MORON.

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  • KeonClark
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    Puffer wrote: View Post

    Let's face it, you could not pay attention to what most of us are posting and not miss anything. There are only about 10 posters who consistently come with interesting takes, good questions and good responses. Most of the rest are just hot takes. You can pretty much ignore posts with consistent capitalizations, swearing and excess exclamation marks.
    FUCK that SHIT!!!!!!

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  • MixxAOR
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
    Near triple double from Gasol today. Only took 4 shots. Led the team in +/- yet again with +22. Massive impact player. But yeah should've kept JV for his meaningless double doubles.
    what?

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  • Puffer
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    RandomGuy wrote: View Post

    I guess I never paid attention to what he's posting until now... and feel that's a mistake.
    Let's face it, you could not pay attention to what most of us are posting and not miss anything. There are only about 10 posters who consistently come with interesting takes, good questions and good responses. Most of the rest are just hot takes. You can pretty much ignore posts with consistent capitalizations, swearing and excess exclamation marks.

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  • RandomGuy
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    Puffer wrote: View Post

    When did Shaolins posts have to start having points?
    I guess I never paid attention to what he's posting until now... and feel that's a mistake.

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  • DogeLover1234
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    GLF wrote: View Post

    He is but we need him because of his position. Pascal is our only true PF unless we play Serge there a lot. Also when you let OG just do the simple things like play defence, shoot the open 3 and cut he's still pretty good. If we keep the rotation to 8 he'll be playing with a lot of starters which helps him. He doesn't get trapped into doing too much
    Yeah really a bummer he hasnt gotten into a rhythm all season. Hes never been afraid of the moment, so hopefully he can turn it on in the playoffs. Been a real rough year for him, hopefully a playoff run helps him out a bit.

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  • GLF
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    golden wrote: View Post

    OG is still pretty unreliable, though.
    He is but we need him because of his position. Pascal is our only true PF unless we play Serge there a lot. Also when you let OG just do the simple things like play defence, shoot the open 3 and cut he's still pretty good. If we keep the rotation to 8 he'll be playing with a lot of starters which helps him. He doesn't get trapped into doing too much

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