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Yuri Gagarin wrote: View PostStats aside I see a future in JV. Maybe a top five C over the next 4 years. Im curious to see how it works with Gasol though
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LJ2 wrote: View PostSo what is the interesting observation from looking at their individual stats?
It's just that their roles have inversed (going from bench player to 1b option in JV's case and the inverse in Gasol's case).
Gasol is averaging 8.6 ppg and 6.5 rbs in JV's role playing 19 mpg (JV averaged 13 and 8 in that role on raps).
JV is averaging 20 and 9 playing in 24 mpg for Grizz (Gasol averaged 15.2 ppg and 8.4rpg in 32.7 mpg on Grizz).
So on individual level, one can say that JV is the more productive player either way and both maintain the same efficiency level they previously had despite the change of role on their teams.
When it comes to their respective impact on team level... remains to be seen and will need lots if time for somewhat clear evaluation.
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Gonzz wrote: View PostMy point was what Marc's brother Pau said about him.He wants to win games and that is the only stat that is important to him.JV is young and is playing for his next contract.
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I think the big thing in the transitions of both players on their new teams is the existing style of play of each team.
JV walks into a play book that is already Centre centric. They had Gasol there for years and he is essentially stepping in to that role, where all the surrounding players know what to do in that play just substituting JV for Gasol. That is obviously the easier way to go.
Gasol is now carving out a role where the Centre is now a play maker. So not only is he trying to do that, all the other players around him are trying to adapt as well. That won't happen over night, but you are already starting to see flashes of it. Who would of thought that McCaw would score 13 points in one game on this team?
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BadDinosaur wrote: View PostI think you can debate many things about JV but not his "wanting" to win, his loyalty and things like contracts. You'll never hear one story about JV wanting to get paid, but you'll get thousands of stories of him wanting to win and making all the sacrifices for the team, including this year coming off the bench without any arguing or bitching about it.
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Gonzz wrote: View PostJV always played to win in Toronto. His situation has changed in Memphis.Winning is secondary to teaching the big that is being groomed to take your job.How he plays toclose out the year will influence his decision to accept the final year of his contract.He has a player option this year.
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This is a fun weird thought :
What if JV opts out this summer and becomes a free agent?
What if Raps fail in playoffs and Kawhi bolts in the summer and Masai deals Gasol someplace.
Would you think JV would be interested to sign with the Raps again? Would Masai dare doing something like that after trading him?
I guess JV with his personality is more likely to sign with Raps than Masai wanting to sign him back, that would be weird as hell. Even if JV became a superstar over 1 season, I'm not sure Masai would have the balls to sign a player that he traded for another player 6 months earlier, even if JV declared publicly he wants to join the raptors.
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BadDinosaur wrote: View PostWell, not much, at least so far.
It's just that their roles have inversed (going from bench player to 1b option in JV's case and the inverse in Gasol's case).
Gasol is averaging 8.6 ppg and 6.5 rbs in JV's role playing 19 mpg (JV averaged 13 and 8 in that role on raps).
JV is averaging 20 and 9 playing in 24 mpg for Grizz (Gasol averaged 15.2 ppg and 8.4rpg in 32.7 mpg on Grizz).
So on individual level, one can say that JV is the more productive player either way and both maintain the same efficiency level they previously had despite the change of role on their teams.
When it comes to their respective impact on team level... remains to be seen and will need lots if time for somewhat clear evaluation.
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I thought Marc had a poor shooting night against the Magic. But he was 7 for 13. Which included a 3. All of the ones he missed must have been bunnies. At least that's what it looked like. But he only had a TS% of 50% last year. By comparison JV had a TS% of 59%. So they are not that different.
I don't think we are seeing the top end of Marc's ability to get the ball to his teammates. I think a function of that may be that they aren't running a lot of set plays yet. Hopefully Nurse continues to work Gasol and his higher end ability to operate with the other guys on the floor into their play.
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BadDinosaur wrote: View PostThis is a fun weird thought :
What if JV opts out this summer and becomes a free agent?
What if Raps fail in playoffs and Kawhi bolts in the summer and Masai deals Gasol someplace.
Would you think JV would be interested to sign with the Raps again? Would Masai dare doing something like that after trading him?
I guess JV with his personality is more likely to sign with Raps than Masai wanting to sign him back, that would be weird as hell. Even if JV became a superstar over 1 season, I'm not sure Masai would have the balls to sign a player that he traded for another player 6 months earlier, even if JV declared publicly he wants to join the raptors.
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