Everything Marc Gasol

[slaw]

Yeah, but your scenario you posted there has no basis in fact, you see. That's the problem. I can make up stuff that didn't happen, too. And yes, the defence would probably have been a good bit worse with JV in Gasol's place, but there are two ends to the court.

There are all sorts of great reasons why Gasol could be way better for the Raptors in this playoff run overall. The Philadelphia matchup is decidedly not one of them. The Raptors may well not have gotten where they want to get to with JV. They may also not with Gasol, though I think Gasol improves their chances of getting there if everything is clicking. But Philadelphia was never going to be the team to knock off the Raps, and it shouldn't have been as close as it was, and wouldn't have been but for the trade. Still, those shots start going down and the potential of the deal will be realized. It's only when the shooters struggle that the production and rebounding downgrade the trade represented causes issues - which is exactly how the 76ers series went so long.

My scenario is a hypothetical. Your statements about the series being 'easier' with JV are suppositions based on regular season games the Raps-Sixers played and your supposition JV would have been a rebounding and scoring machine(?) and not given it all back on defense(?). I would argue my hypothetical had a much better chance of occurring than your conclusion about JV's impact/influence vs. Gasol's.

[KeonClark]

Nobodies mentioning the fact 6'7 delon Wright would have been here as well, presumably playing better than what we got from fred. Surely that helps move the scales a bit

[KeonClark]

Hopefully Ibaka still has the band-aid. Band-aid Ibaka can't miss.

Just like Nelly. Nelly was in his prime with the band aid and never the same after

[SkywalkerAC]

Nobodies mentioning the fact 6'7 delon Wright would have been here as well, presumably playing better than what we got from fred. Surely that helps move the scales a bit

Meh.

[slaw]

Nobodies mentioning the fact 6'7 delon Wright would have been here as well, presumably playing better than what we got from fred. Surely that helps move the scales a bit

Delon Wright, Game 1: 10 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists. Delon Wright, Game 2: 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 3 PF and 2 TO. Delon Wright, Game 3: 9 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists. Delon Wright, Game 4: 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 3 PF and 2 TO..... Delon Wright, Game 7: DNP, Coach's Decision.

[KeonClark]

Delon Wright, Game 1: 10 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists. Delon Wright, Game 2: 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 3 PF and 2 TO. Delon Wright, Game 3: 9 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists. Delon Wright, Game 4: 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 3 PF and 2 TO..... Delon Wright, Game 7: DNP, Coach's Decision.

So, much better than fred

[DanH]

My scenario is a hypothetical. Your statements about the series being 'easier' with JV are suppositions based on regular season games the Raps-Sixers played and your supposition JV would have been a rebounding and scoring machine(?) and not given it all back on defense(?). I would argue my hypothetical had a much better chance of occurring than your conclusion about JV's impact/influence vs. Gasol's.

Yeah, exactly, your scenario is a complete hypothetical. It would be different if you were saying "we have seen this play out, here is an example of the times teams targeted JV in PnR and consistently got him in foul trouble in the playoffs." You are not saying that, you are saying "yeah, but what about this total fiction?" I'm saying if we're going to trade fictions I can do that all day but it doesn't get us anywhere.

My statements about the series being easier are based on my assessment of the team's strengths and weaknesses and what hurt them most and helped them most in this specific series. Raps still handily lost the minutes Embiid played even with Gasol defending him because they just couldn't score. If the shots go in it's a completely different story - but with them missing, JV's skill sets of scoring and rebounding, the only facets of the game where he is a significant upgrade on Gasol, would have been of far greater value than Gasol's defence, passing and shooting were. Which is not to say they weren't valuable! With the scoring droughts, the Raptors needed every stop Gasol got them.

[MixxAOR]

Nobodies mentioning the fact 6'7 delon Wright would have been here as well, presumably playing better than what we got from fred. Surely that helps move the scales a bit

Delon led the team in deflections last year. Would've helped against a team that has issues with turnovers.

[Rudy Bargnani]

We just had the best win in team history can we like..stop with the JV arguments for awhile? Lol.

[golden]

So, much better than fred

But you have to look at the advanced stats and adjust for height. Fred wins big when you look at points-to-height on/off ratio. That's an indicator of intangible "heart" metrics, which Delon couldn't possibly have because he's too tall to be a point guard. Also, Fred is more consistent... he's giving you the Sam Mitchell "ze-ro, ze-ro, ze-ro, ze-ro, ze-ro............ ze-ro" every night.

[GOLDBLUM]

Not good Marc.

[MixxAOR]

we're not using him correctly. We have never used a center correctly on this fucking team.

[Jangles]

we're not using him correctly. We have never used a center correctly on this fucking team.

Okay but is it too much to ask for your starting C to shoot better than 2/11?

[MixxAOR]

Okay but is it too much to ask for your starting C to shoot better than 2/11?

You don't ask Marc to shoot 7 threes.

[The Claw Reborn]

Unnecessary blame.

jesus christ after this guy basically turned Embiid to mere mortal.

the coach is a moron, just accept it