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  • #2
    It is a big issue, since Turk is nowhere near worth the value of his current contract. Why pay more for less? I know it would scare me off if I was a delusional GM thinking Turk was even the least bit useful.

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    • #3
      Taking rough figures (40 mill. over remainder of contract) 15% would be about 6 mill. I think DS has been rubbing elbows with millionaire set a bit too long. It would be a big deal to the receiving team who was over the luxury cap...that would translate the 6 into 12mill. This is a severe detriment. I am befuddled.

      Now, because of Hedo's angst and his request for departure he could waive the penalty...but Smith does not address this.

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      • #4
        it's just not in doughy's nature to have an actual opinion about stuff like this. the point he seems to be missing is that the kicker is still in force even though hedo is the one initiating the trade discussion in the first place. the kicker is something that's negotiated to protect the player from being traded against his will...while they may not like being traded, there's a little bonus in it for them, ya know? in this case, hedo stands to earn a nice little bonus for being a totally unprofessional douchebag asshat fuckhole after loafing through a season (that, btw, indirectly - or directly - contributed to the entire upheaval of a franchise).

        so, now the little pussy decides he's been 'treated unfairly' (actually, what he's decided is that bosh is a goner, the team is in rebuild mode, and he wants no part of that responsibility), and is basically strong-arming the raps into trading him (GOOD LUCK!), which will, as noted above, earn him a nice little $6M bonus. i'm sure having to shell out even more $$ to one of the already most overpaid players in the league will make dealing him that much easier. with the pu pu platter we're expecting in return for a bosh S&T, jose having little value, and now this, i can't wait to see what this clusterfuck of a traveshamockery of a 'team' looks like come november. this franchise is at the precipice...falter just a little, and it could be timber-clip bad for a loooooong time.
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        • #5
          i think what Smith is trying to say is that there is a possibility that Hedo (with a trade kicker) will get traded for another player who also has a trade kicker, since trade kickers are very common in the NBA. so if that happened, his trade kicker and the other players trade kicker will just cancel each other out. I dont think he's referring to the actual amount of the trade kicker, rather the fact that almost every player in turk's level has a trade kicker anyways so whoever we get for hedo would come with a trade kicker as well. Whew!!!!!

          i understand the frustrations, but you have to understand it in hedo's part as well, what if, and i know it this is a big what if, he was playing well last season and for some reason he gets injured and the raps are forced to trade him, then at least he gets a bit of a consolation (trade kicker). or if he was playing good but bosh decides to be a baby and says ill leave if you dont trade hedo, then at least he gets a consolation out of being traded. something like that.

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          • #6
            yertu damkule wrote: View Post
            it's just not in doughy's nature to have an actual opinion about stuff like this. the point he seems to be missing is that the kicker is still in force even though hedo is the one initiating the trade discussion in the first place. the kicker is something that's negotiated to protect the player from being traded against his will...while they may not like being traded, there's a little bonus in it for them, ya know? in this case, hedo stands to earn a nice little bonus for being a totally unprofessional douchebag asshat fuckhole after loafing through a season (that, btw, indirectly - or directly - contributed to the entire upheaval of a franchise).

            so, now the little pussy decides he's been 'treated unfairly' (actually, what he's decided is that bosh is a goner, the team is in rebuild mode, and he wants no part of that responsibility), and is basically strong-arming the raps into trading him (GOOD LUCK!), which will, as noted above, earn him a nice little $6M bonus. i'm sure having to shell out even more $$ to one of the already most overpaid players in the league will make dealing him that much easier. with the pu pu platter we're expecting in return for a bosh S&T, jose having little value, and now this, i can't wait to see what this clusterfuck of a traveshamockery of a 'team' looks like come november. this franchise is at the precipice...falter just a little, and it could be timber-clip bad for a loooooong time.
            First, its not 6M $ Bonus. Its about 3M $ and will be paid in 3 years by other team, not by you.

            Secondly, Even if this douchebag asshat fuckhole clusterfuck of a traveshamockery little pussy of the 'team' had been playing his upper limits in every game ( 18/6/6 with %60FG and defending like spring chickens), your franchise would be still eliminated by one of the East top 4 at round one ( say 5, even Bucks had better game plan than Raps). More dramatic part of the story, you will be having only MLE to spend and most likely it would go to Amirs' contract. Not much space to move to be contender. Same team, same problems, same scenario, another painful year...

            I bet you all know this more than me. It should be main frustrating point, not Hedo or Bosh.

            I think Bosh & Hedo's situation is giving you an opportunity to start from a clean sheet. BC made all those mess and its time to work ass-off and create a miracle from this situation. I think he is capable of doing this. June 24th is 1st test. Will see..

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            • #7
              Vellassco wrote: View Post
              you will be having only MLE to spend and most likely it would go to Amirs' contract. Not much space to move to be contender. Same team, same problems, same scenario, another painful year...
              Correct me if I'm wrong but the Raptors hold Amir's Bird rights and as such can go off and use the MLE and BAE on other players and still have the right to match any offer for Amir and then sign him.

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              • #8
                This whole mess could have been avoided had BC simply made Hedo's contract regressive instead of progressive. Why not assume a 31 year old player coming off his longest season and a contract year might not pan out as you expected and structure his salary so he would much easier to trade ala Hinrich.

                If Hedo does get moved, his first game back to Toronto is going to be a full out hate affair, I might even wear a bow tie.

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                • #9
                  Apollo wrote: View Post
                  Correct me if I'm wrong but the Raptors hold Amir's Bird rights and as such can go off and use the MLE and BAE on other players and still have the right to match any offer for Amir and then sign him.
                  Amir can easily get MLE from another team. So, if you want to keep him you have to pay him more than MLE. That means you will past over cap and Luxury tax line and then using his bird rights. In that case you would be in position not to use Full MLE for another MLE type player. Its ok with to be over Luxury tax but normally franchises choose this option if they see bright light at the end of tunnel of being contender. Last year squad ? I think , No.

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                  • #10
                    Bendit wrote: View Post
                    Taking rough figures (40 mill. over remainder of contract) 15% would be about 6 mill. I think DS has been rubbing elbows with millionaire set a bit too long. It would be a big deal to the receiving team who was over the luxury cap...that would translate the 6 into 12mill. This is a severe detriment. I am befuddled.

                    Now, because of Hedo's angst and his request for departure he could waive the penalty...but Smith does not address this.
                    if there already over the luxury tax clearly money is no issue.
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                    • #11
                      The Raptors can just throw in money to cover the trade kicker in any trade. This isn't a big deal.
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                      • #12
                        Vellassco wrote: View Post
                        First, its not 6M $ Bonus. Its about 3M $ and will be paid in 3 years by other team, not by you.

                        Secondly, Even if this douchebag asshat fuckhole clusterfuck of a traveshamockery little pussy of the 'team' had been playing his upper limits in every game ( 18/6/6 with %60FG and defending like spring chickens), your franchise would be still eliminated by one of the East top 4 at round one ( say 5, even Bucks had better game plan than Raps). More dramatic part of the story, you will be having only MLE to spend and most likely it would go to Amirs' contract. Not much space to move to be contender. Same team, same problems, same scenario, another painful year...

                        I bet you all know this more than me. It should be main frustrating point, not Hedo or Bosh.

                        I think Bosh & Hedo's situation is giving you an opportunity to start from a clean sheet. BC made all those mess and its time to work ass-off and create a miracle from this situation. I think he is capable of doing this. June 24th is 1st test. Will see..
                        look, genius, i'm not sure what constitutes 'mathematics' on your side of the world, but if it's a 15% kicker, and he's got ~$44M remaining on his deal, that works out to a shade over $6M over the remaining 4 years. so fuck off.

                        and yes, it does 'give' the raps a clean slate, but it's not as though your boy is actually going to a take a buyout for 20% of his remaining contract; he wants to get paid, just by someone else (with, of course, and extra $6M for the kicker...). what kind of contracts/players do you think the raps are gonna have to take on in order to rid themselves of this tool?

                        believe me, i blame BC for this much more than hedo...but still, be a fucking man. he basically took the season off, then high-tailed it home (where he is - for some reason - some kind of national hero) so he could bitch to the locals & get the support/coddling he so obviously desires.
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                        • #13
                          tbihis wrote: View Post
                          i think what Smith is trying to say is that there is a possibility that Hedo (with a trade kicker) will get traded for another player who also has a trade kicker, since trade kickers are very common in the NBA. so if that happened, his trade kicker and the other players trade kicker will just cancel each other out. I dont think he's referring to the actual amount of the trade kicker, rather the fact that almost every player in turk's level has a trade kicker anyways so whoever we get for hedo would come with a trade kicker as well. Whew!!!!!

                          i understand the frustrations, but you have to understand it in hedo's part as well, what if, and i know it this is a big what if, he was playing well last season and for some reason he gets injured and the raps are forced to trade him, then at least he gets a bit of a consolation (trade kicker). or if he was playing good but bosh decides to be a baby and says ill leave if you dont trade hedo, then at least he gets a consolation out of being traded. something like that.
                          well, according to smith, there are ~35 players in the L with a kicker. so i'm not sure you can simply say that 'most' of the players on turk's level have one. and just what is turk's level, anyway? he's below-average in almost every on-court facet of the game, and he makes about twice what he should (and that might be generous). is that the 'level' you're referring to?
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                          • #14
                            Vellassco wrote: View Post
                            Amir can easily get MLE from another team. So, if you want to keep him you have to pay him more than MLE. That means you will past over cap and Luxury tax line and then using his bird rights. In that case you would be in position not to use Full MLE for another MLE type player. Its ok with to be over Luxury tax but normally franchises choose this option if they see bright light at the end of tunnel of being contender. Last year squad ? I think , No.
                            I disagree. Colangelo stated he sees many different scenarios where the team is paying tax and he makes no mention of them all including Chris Bosh on roster. They can re-sign Amir Johnson and still use the MLE and BAE. You're just making a prediction based on your opinion. I don't want to confuse people about the CBA rules. This is why I'm stressing this point.

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                            • #15
                              yertu damkule wrote: View Post
                              look, genius, i'm not sure what constitutes 'mathematics' on your side of the world, but if it's a 15% kicker, and he's got ~$44M remaining on his deal, that works out to a shade over $6M over the remaining 4 years. so fuck off.
                              Not over 40M $, its 31.800.000 $ (last year on his contract has player option and CBA rules exclude option year at trade kicker). That makes his kicker about 4.700.000 $ ( if it is %15 on his contract, rumors say its max and %15) . If he waives some of his kicker, say %30 ( he cant waive all of it , sorry but its another CBA rules; max 1/3 i guess), that makes 3.100.000 $ for remaining 3 years. 1M per year.

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