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  • ibzilla
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    ChrisR wrote: View Post
    the 1st rounder we sent to Miami in the JO trade looks more and more like its going to bite us in the ass bigtime. I think it's only lottery protected next year. Can anyone elaborate on the status of the pick?
    Yeah, it was a horrible trade by the over-rated Colangelo. An Isiah thomas type trade. He turned Charlie V, the number 7 pick, coming of a great rookie year into cap space (Turk) and Marcus Banks. And he threw in a pick to Miami.

    It is lottery protected until 2014. Hopefully with a couple of back to back 20 win seasons by the raps, they should be a good team by then.....if they get a real gm (Kevin Pritchard is a free agent btw)

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  • ChrisR
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    the 1st rounder we sent to Miami in the JO trade looks more and more like its going to bite us in the ass bigtime. I think it's only lottery protected next year. Can anyone elaborate on the status of the pick?

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  • Mess
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    LBF wrote: View Post
    oh for god sakes we haven'te even started this off season yet adn you are already talking about the next one. have we givin up all hope?
    I second this.

    One thought though: Wasn't Avery Bradley the highest rated guard only one year ago?

    Be careful what you wish for now.

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  • blaze89
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    im hoping for a perry jones, brandon knight or a kyrie irving if were remotely lucky next year, they would deff solve our pg problems and jones would add tones of athleticism to our frontcourt

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  • LBF
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    ibzilla wrote: View Post
    Be honest, when Bosh leaves and the Raps either get Deng, Lee or Beasley back...do you really see that team making the playoffs let alone a top 4 seed?

    I think its better to have a 15-20 win season than to have a 35-40 win season because at best you'll be ousted in the first round or end up with low lottery picks and players like Ed Davis. Better to suck for a couple of years accumulate young talent (hopefully a superstar) near the top of the draft and in a few years the Raps could be Oklahoma instead of always being mediocre like the Pacers.
    to be honest i don't think bryan is going to take back deng or beasley he might take consideration at lee. but, he's likely to just take back expiring deals, draft picks, te's,money.

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  • ibzilla
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    LBF wrote: View Post
    oh for god sakes we haven'te even started this off season yet adn you are already talking about the next one. have we givin up all hope?
    Be honest, when Bosh leaves and the Raps either get Deng, Lee or Beasley back...do you really see that team making the playoffs let alone a top 4 seed?

    I think its better to have a 15-20 win season than to have a 35-40 win season because at best you'll be ousted in the first round or end up with low lottery picks and players like Ed Davis. Better to suck for a couple of years accumulate young talent (hopefully a superstar) near the top of the draft and in a few years the Raps could be Oklahoma instead of always being mediocre like the Pacers.

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  • ibzilla
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    Buddahfan wrote: View Post
    I don't know where you come from but in my book any kid that can average 7 assists a game in high school, games only 32 minutes long, can distribute the rock good enough to be a point guard.

    Here are John Wall's numbers by comparison in his last year in high school.



    http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-...ll_john00.html

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5266004

    As far as Kanter goes. If he can turn out as good as Dirk that would work for me at any number pick in the draft.
    High school stats are extremely misleading if trying to scout a player due to the uneven level of competition. Dejuan Wagner, ex point guard of the Cavs once scored 100 points in a high school game and couldn't score in the NBA.
    The same scouts that ranked Josh Selby #1 called him a combo guard.
    http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballre...5JjmQw_qPVO5B4
    Yes, he can be a true point guard but thats a skill he needs to learn with 2-3 years of college but most of these top prospects are one and done which doesn't give enough time for the player to develop properly.

    As for Kanter, he could be good by next season but let's compare the three on a basic level.
    Kanter- 6'9 Center who's game extends to the 3 point line.
    Dirk- 7 foot PF with a smooth jumper
    Perry Jones- 6'11 athletic SF/PF who dribbles like a guard.
    Size matters in the NBA, how many 6'9 centers are dominating right now

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  • LBF
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    oh for god sakes we haven'te even started this off season yet adn you are already talking about the next one. have we givin up all hope?

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  • Buddahfan
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    ibzilla wrote: View Post
    I've watched many drafts and seen many all stars and busts come and go and I've formulated 2 simple rules that will weed out all the potential busts near the top of the draft. Unfortunately Kanter and Josh Selby fit both criteria

    1. Never draft a euro big man in the top half (1-7) of the lottery. It never works out and have yet to be proven wrong (Dirk went 9th btw)

    2. Never draft a combo guard unless you are looking for a sixth man (ie Jamal Crawford)
    Guys like Russell Westbrook are the exception but 9 times out of 10 they disappoint if taken high. Unfortunately Selby is just that, a small shooting guard playing the point. At least for now, he could improve his point skills in Kansas but I doubt he'll do that in one season as it seems all high school prospects declare after just one season
    A playmaking point guard, Selby averaged 32 points, seven assists, five rebounds and two steals for Baltimore's Lake Clifton High School last season.
    I don't know where you come from but in my book any kid that can average 7 assists a game in high school, games only 32 minutes long, can distribute the rock good enough to be a point guard.

    Here are John Wall's numbers by comparison in his last year in high school.

    High School
    Averaged 22.1 points, 5.5 assists, 5.2 rebounds, 2.0 steals per game his senior season .
    http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-...ll_john00.html

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5266004

    As far as Kanter goes. If he can turn out as good as Dirk that would work for me at any number pick in the draft.

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  • ibzilla
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    santimo wrote: View Post
    1) Pau Gasol was Top 3 I believe.

    2) It depends on your definition of combo guard. I think D Wade is a combo guard, same with Jason Terry, G. Arenas, Monta Ellis, etc. Not every single one is a superstar (except for Wade) but they're all good players.
    1. Would Pau Gasol be in your top 3 if he wasn't playing in LA? Pau was a different player before LA and he even admits so. He was a soft PF after the 2008 Finals before he evolved to a top 3 player that he is now. He's probably an exception but its pretty safe to say that 31 teams don't have a Kobe and a Phil Jackson and unless you have those two, its a safe rule.

    2. My definition of a combo guard is a shooting guard playing the point because he is unable to defend the 2 usually because of size. D-Wade doesn't fall into that category because although he handles the ball a lot, he's 6'5 and is an All-NBA first team defender. Yes, Terry, Ellis, and Gilbert fall into that category but would you select any of those players top pick? BTW Terry comes off the bench, Ellis and Gilbert are both on the trading block due to the fact that their counterparts (Curry, Wall) are true point guards. And none can defend either

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  • Mack North
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    Didn't the Knickerbockers take Gallinari at 6? I think he's decent enough already and he's only going to get better. I'd take him over Bargs at this point.

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  • santimo
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    ibzilla wrote: View Post
    I've watched many drafts and seen many all stars and busts come and go and I've formulated 2 simple rules that will weed out all the potential busts near the top of the draft. Unfortunately Kanter and Josh Selby fit both criteria

    1. Never draft a euro big man in the top half (1-7) of the lottery. It never works out and have yet to be proven wrong (Dirk went 9th btw)

    2. Never draft a combo guard unless you are looking for a sixth man (ie Jamal Crawford)
    Guys like Russell Westbrook are the exception but 9 times out of 10 they disappoint if taken high. Unfortunately Selby is just that, a small shooting guard playing the point. At least for now, he could improve his point skills in Kansas but I doubt he'll do that in one season as it seems all high school prospects declare after just one season
    1) Pau Gasol was Top 3 I believe.

    2) It depends on your definition of combo guard. I think D Wade is a combo guard, same with Jason Terry, G. Arenas, Monta Ellis, etc. Not every single one is a superstar (except for Wade) but they're all good players.

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  • ibzilla
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    Bendit wrote: View Post
    We need to get a feel for what we have in Davis before going PF again. Barnes looks pretty smooth. I am always a little leery about these videos because they thoroughly accentuate the positive...and rightly so but there is work to be done on personality and defensive commitment etc etc

    Is there a standout pg in the class?
    Kyrie Irving maybe.....He should stay a couple of years in school. Unless they have John Wall-like type of ability or is a scorer instead of a passer coming out early as a pg usually is a bad idea for teams to draft high.

    As for drafting another PF despiting having Davis, you should always draft the best talent available regardless of position. Would you pass on Kevin Durant if you had Paul Pierce on your team for example. At the very least you have an asset to be traded.
    Ed Davis looks like Al Horford 2.0 anyways. A 12-10 guy at best.

    As for Barnes, he does look more polished than Jones but isn't a mismatch at any position he plays. Doesn't look quick enough to be a SG, probably will be a 3 in the NBA. We will find out this season how good of a shooter he'll be because unless he's a lights out shooter like Durant was, he'll be ordinary in the NBA.

    The reason I think Perry Jones will be the number 1 draft pick is because 6'11 players who can handle the ball and are athletic are pretty rare. Offensively he'll be unstoppable at the 4 as few players in can keep up with him (ie Bosh 8 FT pg) or put him at the 3 and he'll just shoot over anyone (ex Durant). His ceiling looks real high, reminds me of KG. A lot of ppl get compared to KG nowadays and its an unfair comparison. 6'11 guys who can dribble the ball like a guard are pretty rare and few and far between. I can think of only a handful of players who had that type of ability the last being Bosh (which turned out pretty good)

    Just for reference..KG in high school, skinny PF with skill
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp_SzdYd2gs

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  • ibzilla
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    I've watched many drafts and seen many all stars and busts come and go and I've formulated 2 simple rules that will weed out all the potential busts near the top of the draft. Unfortunately Kanter and Josh Selby fit both criteria

    1. Never draft a euro big man in the top half (1-7) of the lottery. It never works out and have yet to be proven wrong (Dirk went 9th btw)

    2. Never draft a combo guard unless you are looking for a sixth man (ie Jamal Crawford)
    Guys like Russell Westbrook are the exception but 9 times out of 10 they disappoint if taken high. Unfortunately Selby is just that, a small shooting guard playing the point. At least for now, he could improve his point skills in Kansas but I doubt he'll do that in one season as it seems all high school prospects declare after just one season
    Last edited by ibzilla; Tue Jun 29, 2010, 03:05 PM.

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  • Bendit
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    We need to get a feel for what we have in Davis before going PF again. Barnes looks pretty smooth. I am always a little leery about these videos because they thoroughly accentuate the positive...and rightly so but there is work to be done on personality and defensive commitment etc etc

    Is there a standout pg in the class?

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