ESPN: Raptors Will Insist on Noah, Not Settle for Deng

[mo-sales]

You seem far too desperate to find reasons to put down Bosh. The additional play experience is negligible. In the end, Bosh is a better player than Noah and you wouldn't be able to find one GM, one coach, one scout or one analyst that would say differently. I really like Noah, and my bias towards defense is well known, but there's no way he's on the same level as Bosh.

Why isn't he though? Bosh is better than him at scoring and getting to the line. Noah is cheaper and only entering his fourth year. If its a matter of who would you rather have for the next six years, would anyone choose Bosh?

For a lot of teams Bosh is definitely a better addition than Noah, but for the raptors who could slide Bargs to the four and have arguably the best inside/outside combo in the league, it is a no brainer.

[Deckie007]

Can't give players too much credit or too much blame. Basketball is a team sport, and even though 1 player makes a huge difference, he can't do it himself. I actually think the Raptors would be better with Noah instead of Bosh, but that is just because it would allow Bargs to slide over to PF, where he belongs. The Raps would be even better with Noah beside Bosh instead of Bargs. Basically, give me Noah and an offensively-minded PF beside him, and I'm happy. That's why the Bulls shouldn't trade him for Bosh, lol. Just sign Boozer and call it a day.

[heinz57]

You seem far too desperate to find reasons to put down Bosh. The additional play experience is negligible. In the end, Bosh is a better player than Noah and you wouldn't be able to find one GM, one coach, one scout or one analyst that would say differently. I really like Noah, and my bias towards defense is well known, but there's no way he's on the same level as Bosh.

i NEVER said noah was better. in fact, the first thing i said in this thread was that i wasnt saying that.

i said his playoff experience has to count for something.

thats all.

man, the bosh ball washers will jump on anything that isnt a glowing review of the dude

[Tim W.]

how's it flimsy? he has more significant playoff experience than bosh. and all of it more recently than bosh.

thats my whole point. pretty solid if you ask me.

never said he was better than bosh. just that his playoff experience has to count for something.

You seem far too desperate to find reasons to put down Bosh. The additional play experience is negligible. In the end, Bosh is a better player than Noah and you wouldn't be able to find one GM, one coach, one scout or one analyst that would say differently. I really like Noah, and my bias towards defense is well known, but there's no way he's on the same level as Bosh.

[heinz57]

You can't give Noah all of the credit for that, just as you can't give Bosh all of the blame. Your point is still a flimsy one.

how's it flimsy? he has more significant playoff experience than bosh. and all of it more recently than bosh.

thats my whole point. pretty solid if you ask me.

never said he was better than bosh. just that his playoff experience has to count for something.

[Mack North]

Noah is a better and more committed defender. Bosh is a better scorer.

You're giving something up whichever player you choose. While I appreciate that Noah would give the Raps some much needed defence, you're making a BIG assumption if you presume that either Turk or Bargs is simply going to make up the 14 ppg that you're giving up between the two bigs. Neither of them have shown any particular inclination to take a team on their shoulders.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to have Noah. But the Bosh haters here are getting carried away. Noah is certainly not better than Bosh. He's a lot to hope for in a S&T, but he's no Bosh.

Finally, some sensibility! All these folks that want Bosh gone so bad, you really think Noah is better? Come on... Wouldn't it be nice to see Bosh paired with a C like Noah, rather than one like Bargs? I guess we probably won't find out on our side and you'll say he's riding coattails if he signs with the Bulls, so just GFY I guess.

[Mess]

yup. more experience in the playoffs, with a four year shorter career.

and in the time noah has played all those games... bosh has played zero playoff games.

You can't give Noah all of the credit for that, just as you can't give Bosh all of the blame. Your point is still a flimsy one.

[geebee]

Noah is a better and more committed defender. Bosh is a better scorer.

You're giving something up whichever player you choose. While I appreciate that Noah would give the Raps some much needed defence, you're making a BIG assumption if you presume that either Turk or Bargs is simply going to make up the 14 ppg that you're giving up between the two bigs. Neither of them have shown any particular inclination to take a team on their shoulders.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to have Noah. But the Bosh haters here are getting carried away. Noah is certainly not better than Bosh. He's a lot to hope for in a S&T, but he's no Bosh.

[heinz57]

Noah has played 1 single playoff game more than Bosh.

yup. more experience in the playoffs, with a four year shorter career.

and in the time noah has played all those games... bosh has played zero playoff games.

[Mess]

im not saying he's better than bosh... but noah has more playoff experience than bosh... thats got to count for something

Noah has played 1 single playoff game more than Bosh.

[Hotshot]

What about if we send Turkoglu with Chris Bosh and we get back Deng and Gibson?

[heinz57]

im not saying he's better than bosh... but noah has more playoff experience than bosh... thats got to count for something

[Bendit]

Toronto may prefer Bosh to go to Houston for example, but in the end, it's not up to the Raptors.

I keep hearing variations of this. If Bosh is adamant about his xtra cake and Toronto & Chicago cannot come to an agreement but Toronto and Houston possibly can...then your statement is not entirely accurate.Toronto does have some leverage even though they are not driving the process.

[Hassan]

There is as much chance of Chicago including Noah as there is Rose. Noah is more valuable than Bosh for a litany of reasons. He is cheaper, younger, still improving, a defensive minded rim protector, steps up his game in the playoffs, passionate, a leader, plays well with Rose, the perfect compliment to an offensive minded PF and most importantly will be be available for a contract extension post new CBA and likely will be making half of what Bosh makes.

As delusional as Bosh is, I feel he would veto Chicago if Noah wasn't his front court mate. The guy spent the last 4 years playing with Bargs, I think he recognizes a keeper at center when he sees one.

noah is a good player but i don't think he is an all star player is offensive game is waaaaaay to raw the bulls would be pure idiots to choose him over bosh

[BoxMan]

good for BC not being a pushover