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  • SirChillyMost
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    Brasky wrote: View Post
    Regardless, his bread and butter remains a long jumpshot, or pump fake followed by a one/two dribble then pull up, generated by some kind of kick out. The move is effective because of his quickness advantage relative to the opposing team's center. If you have him matched up with PFs consistently, he'll have less clean looks and his effectiveness will drop. It's just a fact.
    All teams have to do is switch their PF onto Bargnani and their center onto Amir and his bread will have no butter. Btw, a center- in your words, whose bread & butter is a LONG JUMP SHOT? Bargnani is best suited as the 1st big man off the bench as he can play either PF or C and go mostly against 2nd teamers or tired 1st stringers.

    *Here's your breakdown- because BC is looking to acquire a center as so Barg's can start at PF ie failed TChandler deal, his natural position as per BC.

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  • Brasky
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    Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    Shades of gray. At the 5, he doesn't use his quickness nearly enough to say that it's an advantage. If he opts for the jumper less and actually use the quickness less, then I can be with you. On the other hand, at 4 he faces shorter players and is more comfortable using his post-game, which is what I like to see more of.
    Regardless, his bread and butter remains a long jumpshot, or pump fake followed by a one/two dribble then pull up, generated by some kind of kick out. The move is effective because of his quickness advantage relative to the opposing team's center. If you have him matched up with PFs consistently, he'll have less clean looks and his effectiveness will drop. It's just a fact.

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  • Arsenalist
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    Brasky wrote: View Post
    Bargnani is no longer a 4. Get that through your head. He's a stretch 5 with pretty good quickness at the center spot and who has shown solid potential when guarding power based 5s.

    He's way too big, slow, and unathletic to match up against your typical 4. He also doesn't have the post game to punish smaller players. If he lost 25lbs and learned how to jump more than 5 inches, he might have the athletic package to defend most PFs.
    Shades of gray. At the 5, he doesn't use his quickness nearly enough to say that it's an advantage. If he opts for the jumper less and actually use the quickness less, then I can be with you. On the other hand, at 4 he faces shorter players and is more comfortable using his post-game, which is what I like to see more of.

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  • Brasky
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    SirChillyMost wrote: View Post
    Bargnani is a 7ft stretch 4- think he's a NBA center, well that's on you because if you ask CBosh if Bargnani is a certified NBA center you'll most likely get a different response. Fyi- BC is the one trying to acquire a center as to move Bargnani back to- as per BC "his natural PF position"- get that through your head or not.

    You don't have to try to tell me about Bargnani's game as I have watched him ever since he came into the NBA and I am very familiar with his game's positives & negatives.
    Please, give me a breakdown of why Bargnani at this stage in his career is a natural 4.

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  • SirChillyMost
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    Brasky wrote: View Post
    Bargnani is no longer a 4. Get that through your head. He's a stretch 5 with pretty good quickness at the center spot and who has shown solid potential when guarding power based 5s.

    He's way too big, slow, and unathletic to match up against your typical 4. He also doesn't have the post game to punish smaller players. If he lost 25lbs and learned how to jump more than 5 inches, he might have the athletic package to defend most PFs.
    Bargnani is a 7ft stretch 4- think he's a NBA center, well that's on you because if you ask CBosh if Bargnani is a certified NBA center you'll most likely get a different response. Fyi- BC is the one trying to acquire a center as to move Bargnani back to- as per BC "his natural PF position"- get that through your head or not.

    You don't have to try to tell me about Bargnani's game as I have watched him ever since he came into the NBA and I am very familiar with his game's positives & negatives.

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  • Brasky
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    SirChillyMost wrote: View Post
    although Bargnani can play center BC wants to move him back to his natural PF position.
    Bargnani is no longer a 4. Get that through your head. He's a stretch 5 with pretty good quickness at the center spot and who has shown solid potential when guarding power based 5s.

    He's way too big, slow, and unathletic to match up against your typical 4. He also doesn't have the post game to punish smaller players. If he lost 25lbs and learned how to jump more than 5 inches, he might have the athletic package to defend most PFs.

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  • SirChillyMost
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    Landry Fields will be a solid NBA player ala Rick Fox as he is fundamentally sound. 2 sleepers from Vegas that TO should look at for camp invites are SFs Charles Garcia(Seattle U- a versatile, athletic) & Micah Downs(Gonzaga- an athletic freak).

    Davis is one of the top 5 players from this past NBA draft in my mind but the Rap's currently have Amir & Bargnani at PF although Bargnani can play center BC wants to move him back to his natural PF position. If TO acquires a real NBA center this off season that will push Davis down the depth chart even further.

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  • blackjitsu
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    Caracter was a fouling machine. Agree he was top 10 but maybe a bit high. Cousins struggled against the only team with talented and experienced bigs (Tdot) to me that should be a small re-flag (though his numbers were nice). Sanders, Davis, Wall looked like potential studs, all things considered.

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  • Buddahfan
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    I sure hope that Davis lives up to all the Raptors fans hype of hope and change otherwise there will be a lot of disappointed fans in



    http://www.google.com/maps?q=mississ...=0CCsQ8wEoBDAA

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  • grindhouse
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    only 2 players on that list got my attention when i watched them play, john wall and ed davis. Wall had some serious speed but his shot is trouble and ed can get up to block those shots. wish i had seen WAS play TOR to see how ed handled wall getting to the rim as fast as he does.

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  • Hassan
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    I think ed davis is a big variable in the future success of the raptors if he can develop into an allstar then the raptors look very good with 2 potential allstars davis and derozan which surely makes them a contender but him he sucks then the raptors have to start all over again I hope this season will be an indication of his potential

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  • J_Dubyah
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    Ed Davis is Known for his D!

    "[Davis] also showed a somewhat surprising ability to be a solid rim protector." Ed Davis was known for being a better defender than offensive player in college. Way to do your homework David Thorpe!

    Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    The Top Ten were:

    1. John Wall, Wizards
    Summer-league stats: 23.5 ppg, 7.8 apg, 4 rpg

    2. Damion James, Nets
    Summer-league stats: 18.8 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1 apg

    3. DeMarcus Cousins, Kings
    Summer-league stats: 14.5 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.2 bpg

    4. Luke Harangody, Celtics
    Summer-league stats: 16.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.6 apg

    5. Derrick Caracter, Lakers
    Summer-league stats: 15.4 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 1.4 bpg

    6. Landry Fields, Knicks
    Summer-league stats: 15.6 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 spg

    7. Ed Davis, Raptors
    Summer-league stats: 12.6 ppg, 6 rpg, 1.8 bpg



    8. Larry Sanders, Bucks
    Summer-league stats: 14 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 3.2 bpg

    9. Lance Stephenson, Pacers
    Summer-league stats: 14.8 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.5 apg

    10. Dominique Jones, Mavericks
    Summer-league stats: 16.6 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.4 apg

    Rounding it out:

    Favors, Monroe, Lawal, Hayward, Rolle, Pattterson, Ebanks, Crawford, Pondexter, Turner

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  • Buddahfan
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    Frankthetank wrote: View Post
    4. Luke Harangody, Celtics
    Summer-league stats: 16.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.6 apg

    5. Derrick Caracter, Lakers
    Summer-league stats: 15.4 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 1.4 bpg

    6. Landry Fields, Knicks
    Summer-league stats: 15.6 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 spg

    2 out of these three will not be very good. Luke and Fields don't have the athletic ability to even be solid contributors on a regular occasion. Lukes upside is Scalbrine LOL. Landry Fields upside would be jarvis hayes. Ed davis will be better then these three
    Mr. Career Double Double has started only 40% of his games since coming into the league and is about athletic as Bill Laimbeer was yet he is averaging a career double double. You don't have to be athletic to succeed as a big in the NBA if you have talent, a high basketball IQ and work hard on and off the court.

    Harangody has the potential to become a very good NBA player. All he needs is experience.

    Davis is project who must get heavier and stronger. He must also develop more skills including improved footwork on defense and the use of his right hand at least to some degree.
    Last edited by Buddahfan; Fri Jul 23, 2010, 09:45 PM.

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  • Apollo
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    vinnie_paz wrote: View Post
    even over john wall and d. cousins ?
    Yes.

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  • Frankthetank
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    4. Luke Harangody, Celtics
    Summer-league stats: 16.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.6 apg

    5. Derrick Caracter, Lakers
    Summer-league stats: 15.4 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 1.4 bpg

    6. Landry Fields, Knicks
    Summer-league stats: 15.6 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 spg

    2 out of these three will not be very good. Luke and Fields don't have the athletic ability to even be solid contributors on a regular occasion. Lukes upside is Scalbrine LOL. Landry Fields upside would be jarvis hayes. Ed davis will be better then these three

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