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  • ESPN: The NBA Needs to Ask Itself If It Wants To Be In Toronto

    This comes from the FAN590 via ESPN's "Mike and Mike in the Morning" show.

    Source - Click here

  • #2
    this bothers me alot.

    this is why i feel we cant just tank for the next few years, even though we have good attendence & tv rating these vultures down south are looking for any reason to justify moving raptors to Las Vegas or some other market.

    everytime i think about just stock piling lottery drafted players for the next few years im reminded of what happened to Seattle, they got what they wanted, durrant & bunch of other quality players through the draft then had to watch them win in another city!

    these guys mike & mike are tools but if were not carefull it might happen some day

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    • #3
      Apollo wrote: View Post
      The prejudices the Raptors have to deal with are because of the American public voices who don't spend the time researching and thinking things through. Instead they phone it in with their prejudices. People(current and future players, agents, coaches and management) then pick that up and read it, take it as fact and so the cycle continues.
      Source: "Aron Phillips Of DimeMag.com Sounds Prejudice Against Non-American Players", Raptors Republic Forums

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      • #4
        Well I now have a ton of respect for Eric Smith, kudos sir for pointing out the obvious.

        I understand the misgivings American players might have, but only limited. Impressions make up for a lot, I'd say if you didn't live here you could be subject to a few, after spending a bit of time I'd find it hard to complain about Toronto vs other cities like Salt Lake City (I've been...it's weird).

        Mike and Mike are idiots and I try not to listen to them.

        Thank god we only get FAN590
        i8theball.com it's a website...about, you know....basketball.

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        • #5
          This whole stars don't want to play here angle is a self fulfilling prophecy that gets perpetuated by the very media that questions its validity. The raptors get good crowds during a losing season when the product itself isn't exciting. Miami can't even sell out playoff games with one of the best player's in the league. The TV ratings could be higher, but its a hockey town where curling ratings blows almost everyone else out of the water. The problem is the losing culture of the organization, not a deliberate unwillingness of stars to play here.

          The only relevant argument that can be made is the fact that Toronto has not been a viable destination for potential free agents over the past 15 years, but I'd argue that is a blessing in disguise as over the past 15 years I can count on one hand the number of star free agents (Shaq, Nash, Bron, Bosh) that sought out greener pastures and potentially advanced thier careers. The raptors draft stars and usually get at least 7 years out of them, no star has ever left and won anything and as far as I can remember the best player who refused to play here was Kenny Anderson.

          The knicks are in New York, the self proclaimed Mecca and they have won less games over the last 15 years than the raptors. Organizations are the reason that stars don't want to play in certain locations and unfortunately the raptors reputation as a whole has done far worse damage than the cold weather and high taxes could ever do.

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          • #6
            DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
            this bothers me alot.

            this is why i feel we cant just tank for the next few years, even though we have good attendence & tv rating these vultures down south are looking for any reason to justify moving raptors to Las Vegas or some other market.

            everytime i think about just stock piling lottery drafted players for the next few years im reminded of what happened to Seattle, they got what they wanted, durrant & bunch of other quality players through the draft then had to watch them win in another city!

            these guys mike & mike are tools but if were not carefull it might happen some day
            Not sure about the rules of relocating a team but wasn't the thing in Seattle because the owners wanted to move?
            I think we should start worrying if MLSE ever sell the Raps to an American, but as long as they keep making money for the good ol' Teachers Pension I can't see that happening.

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            • #7
              According to Forbes the Raptors are the 11th most valuabe franchise, ahead of places like Miami (this should change) and Orlando. Also, behind Cleveland which will definetly change. Plus, they've made money almost every year. It's baseball and the CFL that's in trouble in Toronto, not the other sports

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              • #8
                Mush wrote: View Post
                Not sure about the rules of relocating a team but wasn't the thing in Seattle because the owners wanted to move?
                I think we should start worrying if MLSE ever sell the Raps to an American, but as long as they keep making money for the good ol' Teachers Pension I can't see that happening.
                As I understood it, the arena was too old, small (because the owner didn't want it to be big enough for the NHL) so they needed a new arena and the city/state didn't want to pich in the money.

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                • #9
                  Most Americans are taught from their birth that they are the greatest nation on the planet. Anyone who would choose to live in Canada or any other country must be unpatriotic or worse. As far as athletes playing in Toronto it is looked at as a sacrifice that some players have to make. It couldn't be a preference of an American if given the choice of playing for an NBA team in the USA. There are lots of Americans who love coming to Toronto to visit but there aren't many like Matt Bonner who publicly state they would prefer to play here over anyplace else.

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                  • #10
                    Mush wrote: View Post
                    Not sure about the rules of relocating a team but wasn't the thing in Seattle because the owners wanted to move?
                    I think we should start worrying if MLSE ever sell the Raps to an American, but as long as they keep making money for the good ol' Teachers Pension I can't see that happening.
                    just looked it up and ya your right it was the owners that wanted to move. bad example on my part i guess.

                    MLSE is always looking to make a profit though. this has helped us keep the team here because it was very profitable.

                    if it becomes more profitable to sell then i have no faith in MLSE to not go after the profit :-(

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                    • #11
                      [I]research[I] and [I]reality[I] when it comes to journalism. Everything beyond the reality of Toronto's NBA success is drivel, regardless of whether it's the journalists or the players themselves who believe otherwise. Any other conjecture regarding the "difficulties" that are associated with playing fora Canadian basketball team is ignorance, and seems typical of those in the U.S.A. who attempt to portray anybody outside of their borders as "the others" despite the social, cultural, or geographical realities.

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                      • #12
                        Chill

                        This sounds like sports radio at its worst. First of all the decision is not the NBA's but MLSE's and they seem to be making money in the enterprise. If MLSE's goal was nothing more than booking a few more dates in the barn they've done well from a business perspective. An entirely moot point from ESPN's perspective and more reason to ignore them entirely. The NBA would not contract and outside of Seattle and maybe Las Vegas is there a city that would be more attractive for the players AND be profitable? There are too many wobbly franchises in the US to cast a jaundiced eye at TO. Mike and Mike have little grasp of reality.

                        Worried about players coming to TO? WIN.

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                        • #13
                          noxleno wrote: View Post
                          To quote E. Smith,

                          "As I’ve said 1,000,000 times, post-season success (or lack there of) is the reason that the organization is not top-of-mind for many free agents or ’stars’ around the NBA. Five playoff appearances in 15 years and only 1 second-round berth … THAT’S the issue. And that’s a fact.

                          Everything else is drivel."

                          I just want to commend him for testifying to the value of thing like [I]research[I] and [I]reality[I] when it comes to journalism. Everything beyond the reality of Toronto's NBA success is drivel, regardless of whether it's the journalists or the players themselves who believe otherwise. Any other conjecture regarding the "difficulties" that are associated with playing fora Canadian basketball team is ignorance, and seems typical of those in the U.S.A. who attempt to portray anybody outside of their borders as "the others" despite the social, cultural, or geographical realities.
                          i agree

                          too many americans are soo quick to judge a place by a few miss informed comments rather then spend some time to learn about it before judging.

                          for a country that is supposed to be a leader of the free world they sure have a lot of followers LOL

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                          • #14
                            j bean wrote: View Post
                            Most Americans are taught from their birth that they are the greatest nation on the planet. Anyone who would choose to live in Canada or any other country must be unpatriotic or worse. As far as athletes playing in Toronto it is looked at as a sacrifice that some players have to make. It couldn't be a preference of an American if given the choice of playing for an NBA team in the USA. There are lots of Americans who love coming to Toronto to visit but there aren't many like Matt Bonner who publicly state they would prefer to play here over anyplace else.
                            The pride won't be there in a few years if their economy continues to head to what I feel is now inevitable...

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                            • #15
                              Mike & Mike can go down on themselves all they want but there is one inescapable factoid in the business world (and professional sports is a business as well I keep hearing)...is that if the business is making money then its not going anywhere. Case closed. There is one other caveat...relocate where?? Kansas City? Seattle? (actually maybe...with a couple of buts), Connecticut? "Hotbeds" of the nba like Atlanta and Miami were pretty dicey last year attendance wise inspite of their obvious basketball assets (Amrican players who "want" to be there). Yes, Miami will sell out this year but at what cost? and for how long until the team gets stale or have a hiccup. The same reasons these guys went there are the reasons the team typically has trouble selling their seats historically...the beach, sun and bikinis. The Mikeys should check out the value Forbes puts on the Raptors to see if the Pension Fund is ready to bail.

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