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  • Does This Make It Harder To Trade Calderon?

    Calderon also ranks last among 65 players who defended the ballhandler on at least 150 possessions.
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    JCalderon's D is indeed as bad as advertised. In 9th %ile of NBA players in overall D, ranks last among 166 players w/ min 600 D possessions
    about 15 hours ago via web

    http://twitter.com/bqrmagic

    the word has spread that Calderon is an awful defender, anyone who didn't believe it before is going to have a hard time arguing with these stats.

    so, does this make it harder to sell calderon to other teams?
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    Where did these stats come from? It would be nice to see where Jack ranked, because I don't believe he was too far ahead of Calderon. People have to remember that the Raptors AS A TEAM were the worst in the NBA at defense. Is that all Calderon's fault? Hardly.

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    • #3
      argue all you want, but, no one is worse than Calderon. so, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

      you cannot argue calderon is the WORST defender. so stop.
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      • #4
        LBF wrote: View Post
        http://twitter.com/bqrmagic

        the word has spread that Calderon is an awful defender, anyone who didn't believe it before is going to have a hard time arguing with these stats.

        so, does this make it harder to sell calderon to other teams?
        can u give a real link to the article?

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        • #5
          Care to read my post again? I simple asked where the stats came from so that I could also see where Jack ranks, since he was playing with the same players as Jose. No where did I argue that Calderon was or was not the worst defender at the PG position. I'd appreciate it if you read my posts before you reply to me. Kthxbai.

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          • #6
            it doesn't matter where jack ranked. cause the question was does this hurt our chances of trading calderon.

            adn i don't know if there is an article on it, all i found was this.

            google it if you want.
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            • #7
              It absolutely matters where Jack and other PGs ranked so that we can see where Jose was relative to his peers. If Jose was worse than Player X by 0.1% instead of 10%, it makes quite the difference. Knowing where PGs ranked on this "defending the ballhandler" stat will allow us to make a decision on whether or not this makes Calderon harder to trade.

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              • #8
                Last 2 tweets contain data from Synergy Sports Technology. Stats ranked by Points Per Possession.
                about 15 hours ago via web
                http://twitter.com/bqrmagic
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                • #9
                  http://www.synergysportstech.com/

                  figure it out yourself. is what ypu are going to have to do to know that.
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                  • #10
                    According to BasketballReference.com rating system

                    Jack had a defensive rating of 115
                    Calderon's was 116

                    Not much of a difference

                    http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../jackja01.html

                    According to BasketballReference.com's rating system

                    Here are the defensive ratings for all of the Raptors players who had a negative rating on defense

                    Jack--------1.28
                    Calderon----2.83
                    DeRozan----3.62
                    Turk--------4.56
                    Bargnani----9.10

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                    • #11
                      LBF wrote: View Post
                      it doesn't matter where jack ranked. cause the question was does this hurt our chances of trading calderon.

                      adn i don't know if there is an article on it, all i found was this.

                      google it if you want.
                      I googled it and found this discussion.

                      http://forums.realgm.com/boards/view...=32&p=24743176

                      which is interesting b/c it basically points out that Calderon's impact on defense isn't that bad. Which tells me Jack's defense isn't much better when he is on the court. It also states Amir's impact is huge.

                      So either our defensive system is really bad.... or Jack and Calderon are both bad defeneders.

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                      • #12
                        RecklessIndifference wrote: View Post
                        I googled it and found this discussion.

                        http://forums.realgm.com/boards/view...=32&p=24743176

                        which is interesting b/c it basically points out that Calderon's impact on defense isn't that bad. Which tells me Jack's defense isn't much better when he is on the court. It also states Amir's impact is huge.

                        So either our defensive system is really bad.... or Jack and Calderon are both bad defeneders.
                        Amir's numbers on defense have been pretty consistent over the last three seasons or since he started to play in the NBA. I am not counting the 11 games total that he played in his first two years under contract to the Pistons.

                        Like I have posted elsewhere.

                        Amir eats advanced metrics both on the offense and on the defense.

                        Of course some of us believes that those advanced metrics more accurately represent what a player contributes to a team's success or failure than do the simple box score numbers. On the other hand there is a very large group of NBA fans who believe that advanced metrics are all gibberish and nothing more than bean counters wet dream.

                        The truth like with all all extreme position arguments probably lies somewhere between the two opposing points of view.
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                        • #13
                          i don't think those two statements make it harder to trade calderon. without knowledge of their method their conclusions cannot be verified and therefore are not legitimate. However, in general calderon is see as being a poor to terrible defender on the worst defensive team in the league. i don't think this is a secret to anyone. if there are interested parties in calderon, they know what they are getting.
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                          • #14
                            Buddahfan wrote: View Post
                            Amir's numbers on defense have been pretty consistent over the last three seasons or since he started to play in the NBA. I am not counting the 11 games total that he played in his first two years under contract to the Pistons.

                            Like I have posted elsewhere.

                            Amir eats advanced metrics both on the offense and on the defense.

                            Of course some of us believes that those advanced metrics more accurately represent what a player contributes to a team's success or failure than do the simple box score numbers. On the other hand there is a very large group of NBA fans who believe that advanced metrics are all gibberish and nothing more than bean counters wet dream.

                            The truth like with all all extreme position arguments probably lies somewhere between the two opposing points of view.
                            That sounds about right. I don't think there is any way you could completely discard these stats and numbers. Is Amir the most efficient player in the NBA? Probably not, but I think this really points out the fact that his career 'box score' numbers aren't telling the whole story either.

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                            • #15
                              RecklessIndifference wrote: View Post
                              That sounds about right. I don't think there is any way you could completely discard these stats and numbers. Is Amir the most efficient player in the NBA? Probably not, but I think this really points out the fact that his career 'box score' numbers aren't telling the whole story either.
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