Beasley - Revisited again in #110

[MangoKid]

I don't think that's correct. I believe Minny also got 2 future first round picks + Kosta Koufos (2008 1st round pick), in addition to the TPE. It's doubtful that the TPE by itself would have pried Jefferson away from the T-Wolves.

You're right about the details of the trade. It was also for Koufas and two future firsts. However, my answer regarding the TPE was correct.

[Gats]

He has character issues. I don't regret it at all. You can't win with guys like that leading the way.

Hey, we tried with Bosh and Carter... different character issues, but character issues all the same. It sure would be nice to have another guy putting up big numbers, but $14 million trade exception we may never use is pretty much just as good.

[Balls of Steel]

Beasley is a good player. Getting his opportunities is what he needs. His defence is suspect, but as we've seen 10 games into the season, offence is important to the Raps as well. He is oozing potential without a doubt. HOWEVER, BC knows that Toronto is very much like Miami (in a sense that distractions in the city is rampant). He knows his potential, but he also knows that Beasley could just implode and contaminate the rest of the young crew. It's just too much of a gamble for the organization.

PS> Considering that the team was eyeing Kleiza for some time, it was impossible for BC to go after Beasley anyway. Unless of course, the team went after Kleiza but never traded for Wright.

[Raptoronto]

MIN PPG RPG BPG
Beasley - 30 20.5 5.2 0.5
Bargs - 34 20.5 5 0.9

Are we really pining for a SF/PF tweener who doesn’t rebound, hates playing D and shows up every second night?...I thought we had one of those already (sans the mental issues)?

[jlongs]

Yeah 'cause we need more of those guys whose only contributions are of the offensive kind...no thanks. I am not convinced that with Beasly in the current team we'd be much better off. Sure he's more athletic than Kleiza, but is he really better? Or just better numbers with Kleiza just struggling? Or do you stick him at PF alongside Bargnani so that we have 2 defensive studs inside. Yeah. Not.

I want to see what we get for that TPE, if anything at all (due to lockout and such).

[RaptorDan]

Miami couldn't unload Beasley because this dude has serious mental health issues. Pegging him as a laughable pot smoking dude sidesteps the fact that no team wants to the liability of a guy suffering from depression and whatever else hasn't been disclosed. When pressure starts to mount or the stress of long NBA season begins to take its toll, he will crack. At best he will be a bad influence, at worst he will be a tragic sports headline about mental illness, suicide, and the pressures put on young athletes. Maybe Minnesota will get lucky and he'll pan out. I hope so.

Damarcus Cousins got passed up about 3 or 4 spots in the draft because dude is a thug and trouble. Sacramento took a shot on him because he fell to them at 5th pick. Maybe he'll pan out too. The thing is, its a gamble, and most teams aren't willing to roll the dice. I wouldn't.

[RaptorsFan4Life]

Miami couldn't unload Beasley because this dude has serious mental health issues. Pegging him as a laughable pot smoking dude sidesteps the fact that no team wants to the liability of a guy suffering from depression and whatever else hasn't been disclosed. When pressure starts to mount or the stress of long NBA season begins to take its toll, he will crack. At best he will be a bad influence, at worst he will be a tragic sports headline about mental illness, suicide, and the pressures put on young athletes. Maybe Minnesota will get lucky and he'll pan out. I hope so.

Damarcus Cousins got passed up about 3 or 4 spots in the draft because dude is a thug and trouble. Sacramento took a shot on him because he fell to them at 5th pick. Maybe he'll pan out too. The thing is, its a gamble, and most teams aren't willing to roll the dice. I wouldn't.

Well put.

[Apollo]

Hey, we tried with Bosh and Carter... different character issues, but character issues all the same. It sure would be nice to have another guy putting up big numbers, but $14 million trade exception we may never use is pretty much just as good.

Illegal activities and laziness are large character issues. Being unable to lead but still being a good person I can live with much more.

What you're saying is like lumping seat belt violators in with murderers.

[TheGloveinRapsUniform]

I dont get the opinion that we need to consider if Beas woulda been a good long term fit lol
Were going to be a 20 win team for the next few seasons,it doesnt take a hurt to take a look at ANYBODY with upside
Thats what you do when your a bad team,you gamble on players...If your the Lakers you dont take those gambles cuz ur already playing with a ship roster and cant take the side effects if there are any....PLUS i think the issues about him are overblown...

He's a young guy who hasnt fully learned or developed yet he aint the first guy or the last to come into this league lacking maturity...As a bum team i thnk it was worth the look or gamble given the potential....we lose nothing by trying...He dont need to be a long term guy IF he doesnt produce and is cancerous you get rid of him or dont re up him....i still think its more fruitful than a TPE that has a limited expiration date...esp considering BC has showed an ineptness to make any kind of roster change that impacts this team thru trades...

+1

[TheGloveinRapsUniform]

There are no distractions in Minnesota. None. I think that has helped him. All he can do now is focus on basketball. If he was on the Raptors and he was pulling the same shenanigans as he was in Miami, people would still be shitting all over Colangelo for taking Beasley instead of the TPE.

While Beasley has the talent, he has to put the stats up consistently. ANd his had has to be there. Even Love made a comment this season in reference to Beasley saying that he was like 22 going on 8. It's hard to take flyers on guys like that.

We don't know what the TPE will amount to, so why rip on it?

sorry mango but everywhere you go there are distractions. Drugs and whores are not specific to Miami only.

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/4766

[TheGloveinRapsUniform]

Who said anything about Bargnani?

Beasley has had a ton of touches this year.

averaging 16FGA this year, last year, 13. not that much of a difference.

[MangoKid]

sorry mango but everywhere you go there are distractions. Drugs and whores are not specific to Miami only.

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/4766

Sorry, I should have been more clear. There are far far fewer distractions in Minneapolis than Miami. You can get yourself into a lot more trouble in a city like Miami as opposed to Minneapolis. Of course, no matter where you are if you want trouble, and go looking for it, chances are, you will find it. Have you been to Minneapolis? I have family there. It's REALLY boring in comparison to Miami. Nowhere near as many vices.

[MangoKid]

averaging 16FGA this year, last year, 13. not that much of a difference.

Did I say anything about Bargnani though?

Between the two, I'd rather have Bargnani. At least I know he's mentally stable.

[RaptorsFan4Life]

yea cuz you've watched every t'wolves game right ?

since when is 16 shots a game "a ton" ?

He has been averaging 25 FGA in the last 4 games and 3 3p attemps

Michael Beasley 32.5 PT .545 of 25.3 FG .591 of 5.5 FT .583 of 3.0 3P 6.0/1.5 RB 2.8 AS 1.0 BL 1.0 ST 2.8 TO 3.8 PF 38.6 MN 4/4 GS (last 4 games)

20 attempts in the last 7 games

Michael Beasley 25.4 PT .497 of 20.7 FG .711 of 5.4 FT .412 of 2.4 3P 4.7/1.0 RB 2.1 AS 0.9 BL 1.3 ST 2.9 TO 4.1 PF 35.6 MN 7/7 GS (last 7 games)

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Beasley is looking like he is really shaping up but I don't have any regrets because of character issues and off court issues. Even if he came here I don't think he'd of gotten nearly as much attempts.

[JoePanini]

yea cuz you've watched every t'wolves game right ?

since when is 16 shots a game "a ton" ?

You gotta see the percentage of possessions he gets when he's on the floor. His USG% etc... Anyways 16 shots is a lot. Anything above 18 is considered to be complete ball-hogging and only players who play around 40 minutes a night have averaged that many takes. First players who come to mind who have averaged 20 attempts a game are LeBron, Ellis and Iverson... Those guys take a lot of shots...