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  • Buddahfan
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    phez wrote: View Post
    most logical argument i've heard all week, thumbs up

    Totally inaccurate argument with regard to Bayless.

    Trading Jack it up Jack for Bayless was not primarily done to save salary and increase the cap space.

    Bayless was firstly acquired because he will become a better player than Jack and a much better PG.

    It would not surprise me to see him starting at the PG spot for the Raptors three seasons from now or less.

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  • phez
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    Craig wrote: View Post
    Guys.

    Whats he make.

    Thats all you need to think about.

    BC has nothing up any sleeve. He is cutting salary to prepare for the Lockout. The MLSE has a lot of experience with this stuff, and they are powerful in the owners group. Trust they know whats coming, and they are preparing accordingly.

    Cut cut cut. Get used to it.
    most logical argument i've heard all week, thumbs up

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  • MangoKid
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    Which might be a reason why Peja won't be moved and the TPE not used.

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  • Superjudge
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    Guys.

    Whats he make.

    Thats all you need to think about.

    BC has nothing up any sleeve. He is cutting salary to prepare for the Lockout. The MLSE has a lot of experience with this stuff, and they are powerful in the owners group. Trust they know whats coming, and they are preparing accordingly.

    Cut cut cut. Get used to it.

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  • Buddahfan
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    jeff_hostetler wrote: View Post
    Indeed....this is satisfying to know. I knew basically nothing about Bayless, except for his name, and that I thought he was pretty good because he used to play for Portland. Hearing lots about what a crappy point guard he is was kinda depressing.

    Youth movement! Underway! I wonder how much of the anti-Bayless rhetoric was simply because he now plays for Toronto. Seems for some reasons (some more obvious than others) this team has a target on its back from the Media.

    Kind of a tangent, but, if anyone's played 2k11, and you hear the comments in the game like "Bosh called this team out for its lack of effort down the stretch".... Bosh was on the sideline for all of the god-danged stretch. Coulda played, but didn't, as the team was fighting for a playoff spot. Serious disrespect for the team, now spilling into virtual disrespect. The worst kind.
    I saw both Bayless and Westbrook play in the Pac10 and against one another in 2007-08 before they were drafted in June of 2008.

    Bayless was better offensively, 1.57 PPP vs Westbrook's 1.27 PPP - Source: ESPN.

    Westbrook did have a slightly higher Assist Per Game number 4.3 vs 4.0 in about 3 mpg less than Bayless 32 vs 35 (truncated)

    Bayless problem when handling the ball is his high turnover rate. His career best in this area has been 2.6 per 36 minutes which he accomplished last season

    His career average so far is 2.9 turnovers per 36 minutes.

    However, there have been literally hundreds of times in the history of the NBA that a player has averaged 2.6 or more turnovers per 36 minutes.

    The most assists per game ever attained by a player in a single season while averaging at least 2.6 turnovers per game was recorded in 1989-90 by none other than John Stockton.

    In that season he averaged 3.4 turnovers per 36 minutes and 14.5 APG

    Both Stockton and Magic Johnson recorded at least 2.6 turnovers per 36 minutes in a single season at least 8 times each in their careers.

    The second highest number of APG while recording at least 2.6 turnovers per 36 minutes is happening right now.

    Rondo is averaging 3.3 turnovers per 36 minutes and 14.3 APG

    The most assists per 36 minutes in season that a player has recorded in NBA history while averaging at least 2.6 turnovers per 36 minutes and while playing at least 2,000 minutes in a season happened in 1987-88. Stockton that season averaged 14.3 assists per 36 minutes and 3.3 turnovers per 36 minutes.


    What Bayless needs to do is increase his current assists per 36 minute rate of 6.8 without increasing and preferably decreasing his current turnover rate per 36 minutes.

    He is currently at 6.8 assists per 36 minutes and 4.1 turnovers per 36 minutes.

    If he can increase his assists per 36 minutes by even only 10 percent and get his turnover rate per 36 minutes down to last season's rate of 2.6 he will have pretty good numbers in this area.

    Assists per 36 minutes-------7.5
    Turnovers per 36 minutes----2.6
    Turnover Ratio--------------2.9 which is pretty good

    Can he do it? Got me


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    Last edited by Buddahfan; Tue Nov 23, 2010, 12:28 PM.

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  • jeff_hostetler
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    Indeed....this is satisfying to know. I knew basically nothing about Bayless, except for his name, and that I thought he was pretty good because he used to play for Portland. Hearing lots about what a crappy point guard he is was kinda depressing.

    Youth movement! Underway! I wonder how much of the anti-Bayless rhetoric was simply because he now plays for Toronto. Seems for some reasons (some more obvious than others) this team has a target on its back from the Media.

    Kind of a tangent, but, if anyone's played 2k11, and you hear the comments in the game like "Bosh called this team out for its lack of effort down the stretch".... Bosh was on the sideline for all of the god-danged stretch. Coulda played, but didn't, as the team was fighting for a playoff spot. Serious disrespect for the team, now spilling into virtual disrespect. The worst kind.

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  • teoserio
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    hope Jay will leave Jerryd in the pitch at least 20 mpg

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  • RaptorDan
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    OK Buddha, it seems you're quite high on Bayless. But knowing your man-crush on Amir, who'd you rather ....?

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  • Buddahfan
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    Here are some more facts

    2007-08 was the last college year for Bayless at Arizona and Westbrook at UCLA

    Bayless was a freshman and Westbrook a sophomore

    Bayless
    ------------
    MPG----35.7
    PPG----19.7
    APG-----4.0
    PPP-----1.57 PPP = Points per possession

    Westbrook
    ----------------
    MPG----33.8
    PPG----12.7
    APG-----4.3
    PPP-----1.27

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player...playerId=36075

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player...playerId=31663

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  • Buddahfan
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    phez wrote: View Post
    The assists numbers mean nothing. Toronto's playstyle does not influence pg ast numbers in the slightest and when combined with our lack of shooting ability just adds more to the fact. At this point all we can rely on bayless to provide is a quicker, bigger, and younger body over jack.
    I think you have a hole in your screen door.

    4sure

    Say what?

    On second thought I think you have two big holes in your screen door.

    The flag is up

    I don't think that is funny

    Buddahfan that is your lowest shot yet

    Yea, yea it is

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  • phez
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    The assists numbers mean nothing. Toronto's playstyle does not influence pg ast numbers in the slightest and when combined with our lack of shooting ability just adds more to the fact. At this point all we can rely on bayless to provide is a quicker, bigger, and younger body over jack.

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  • RaptorDan
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    I'm not a big stats guy. I like watching games and drawing conclusions from what I see. I pay attention to stats but don't go out of way to do a lot of research. That's why I appreciate when posters like Buddhafan take the time and bring to light statistics that are interesting, relevant and timely.

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  • hateslosing
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    Thank you Buddahfan, you have just made me feel slightly better about our pg situation going forward.

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  • EarthJuice
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    Stop the insanity!!!!!

    bearvon wrote: View Post
    I don't think this specific team needs Nash. But the team does need to fill seats and draw up excitement.
    Nash is old. You really think management is that incompetent that they would sell the future on the premise of adding more seats this season? In the process they would be dooming the franchise for years and reducing attendance they next 3 years.

    Also, what makes you think Nash wants to come here? (Non-rhetorical question)

    He wants to win a championship or at least have chance. This team does not, right now.

    Nash does not live in Toronto or even Canada during the off-season. He lives in NYC. What makes you think someone from Victoria holds Toronto in such a fond place in their heart that they would forego a chance in win in the dying years of their career to come here?

    We need young players with their best years ahead of them, not greybeards who reaching the end of their careers.

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  • JoePanini
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    I have never watched Bayless play, and many have told me he is like Jack, a 2 in a PGs body. But these stats are nice to see, I think we'll soon find out if he is a good passer, or at least a decent one.

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