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Apollo wrote: View PostZaza and Bargnani starting together would only work if Davis or Johnson were starting at the 3 and if that were to happen the team would need a strong ball handler starting at the 2.
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MangoKid wrote: View PostHow is it a lateral move? Chances are, this team isnt going to resign Evans at the end of the season. So with that being said, to find someone with toughness, grit and a decent rebounder is going to be difficult to find. Pachulia not only fills that role, but he could very well be plugged into the 5 spot (he's 6'11", 270 lbs) and Bargnani could be moved to the 4.
grindhouse wrote: View PostI agree The only savings is 1 year less on bibby's contract.
sillydebate wrote: View PostNo point in this. Jose is outplaying Bibby right now. End this discussion.Last edited by Apollo; Thu Jan 6, 2011, 12:33 PM.
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No point in this. Jose is outplaying Bibby right now. End this discussion.
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black angus wrote: View Postthis is a lateral move at best... if there is no big money savings it is pointless
I agree The only savings is 1 year less on bibby's contract.
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black angus wrote: View Postthis is a lateral move at best... if there is no big money savings it is pointless
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this is a lateral move at best... if there is no big money savings it is pointless
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Calderon would be perfect for Atlanta. Bibby has played in Canada, so I don't think he would have any qualms playing here. Although he isn't a pure PG, his level of play isn't that far off from Jose's. I'd do Bibby and Pachulia for Calderon and Evans in a heartbeat. Pachulia can actually play minutes at the 5, is a decent rebounder and is a very tough customer. He's got a very reasonable contract for the next few years.Last edited by MangoKid; Thu Jan 6, 2011, 11:05 AM.
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Bibby has been in the league a long time and has had a far better career than Jose Calderon. You should know exactly what you're getting with Mike Bibby. Bibby has fit well in Atlanta for years now as a role player. Many of those years were a situation somewhat similar to where the Raptors are now, that being a team with many young players who need guidance and leadership both on and off the court. Bibby has done well in Atlanta and I don't understand how he could have created any doubt there. The main reason his numbers(assists and points) have fallen is because he's playing with an All-Star SG who dominates the ball. He's still productive and embraced his reduced role very admirably.
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Apollo wrote: View PostI have no problem at all with Jose leaving town. Bibby and him are at a similar level and I don't think you would see any drop off on offense. I think the defense on the perimeter would improve a little. Not to mention Bibby has one less year left on contract.
but id rather get expirings rather than waiting for another 2 years for contracts to expire.
at least with jose, you know what youre getting, a pass-first PG who knows his place on the team.
the only thing i like about bibby is he's clutch, he can hit big shots at the end of games.
but pachulia or williams, im not too sure about. williams is sitting coz of a bad back.
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Bibby is old and Zaza is a 6'11" center with an average of 4rebs per game.
No thanks.
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I have no problem at all with Jose leaving town. Bibby and him are at a similar level and I don't think you would see any drop off on offense. I think the defense on the perimeter would improve a little. Not to mention Bibby has one less year left on contract.
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I don't like Bibby, but if Marvin Williams is put in the deal. Why not? We need swingmen. Give them Weems as well. But it's really hard to let go of Jose...
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Scenarios
For it to work it would have to be Bibby plus a big man making close to the MLE for Calderon and a small contracted big man (example #1). Or alternatively it could be Bibby plus a large contract for Calderon and a guy making close to the MLE (example #2).
Example #1
Mike Bibby & Zaza Paculia For Jose Calderon & Joey Dorsey
Mike Bibby & Zaza Paculia For Jose Calderon & Julian Wright
Example #2
Mike Bibby & Marvin Williams For Jose Calderon & Reggie Evans
Mike Bibby & Marvin Williams For Jose Calderon & Linas KleizaLast edited by Apollo; Thu Jan 6, 2011, 12:06 PM.
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