Otherwise I wouldn't do it. Doesn't make the Raps that much better, unless, as it seems may always the case with BC, this would be a move that makes future moves easier/gathers more tradeable pieces. Other than being taller, Pachulia doesn't bring anything that Dorsey doesn't already. Marvin Williams' contract is far too large. Rather take my chances with Kleiza and Weems.
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tbihis wrote: View Posti think the key word is HAD. true, he did come into a young atlanta team and posted good numbers, but that was 4 years ago, when he was still 28. he was able to run with the young players back then and mentor them at the same time. but now, if you put him in the same situation as when he first came to atlanta, i dont think he'll have the same impact. basically, calderon with the young raps is what bibby was with the young atlanta team, running with them and getting those asts.
i think his numbers are down because he's getting old and slowing down, which is the natural progression of a player's career. cant be because he's playing alongside JJ, he's always played alongside JJ since he came to atlanta. his stats are steadily declining, maybe because crawford is getting more playing time too and theyre using JJ as a PG sometimes, but the coach sees it, he cant run with the best of them anymore because of his age, and possibly the injuries he had before are taking its toll.
pachulia, 0.5 career shot blocker with 5 rebs per 15mins. decent. maybe he'll get more rebs and blocks if he gets to play 20-25 minutes which he'll probably get with the raps. i like his toughness, not backing down from KG and all that.
I don't think I'm going to change your opinion but I'm telling you Joe Johnson dominates the ball and Bibby is usually the fifth scoring option on the floor. The skills are there, the role is different. Calderon couldn't hack sharing responsibilities with Hedo Turkoglu, let alone getting his wings clipped by playing with Joe Johnson. You place Calderon on that Hawks team and his stats would plummet, book it.
YKOil wrote: View PostCalderon & cash
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MangoKid wrote: View PostThen again, a Bibby-Jamal Crawford for Evans-Calderon also works.
yertu damkule wrote: View Postbut williams isn't a 'big,' and if the rumour is to be believed, it would be a big from each team involved. if jose & bibby are definites, then to make the $ work, it would almost have to be some combination of guys that appollo pointed out above, most likely zaza & dorsey.Last edited by Apollo; Thu Jan 6, 2011, 06:01 PM.
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man... my heart skipped when i though al horford mite be involved... guess i was being dumb. But still isn't maybe possible, if horford said he won't sign with them or somthing... im juss sayin off course 0_0, since his contract is almost up, and atlanta juss seems stuck in the middle of the eastern conference and doesnt seem to be gettin bttr
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personally I think Dorsey could do very well on Atlanta in a a backup role to horford. He just has to go in grab boards, make put backs and hustle. I think Zaza would be a good pick up. He is similar to the type of player varejao is. He will go out and hustle, be a troll in the paint, grab boards, get putbacks, alter shots, intimidate players the easily penetrate. He might be raptors anchor. You gotta love players that come into a game and instantly make others better just because they play with swagger.Last edited by pesterm1; Thu Jan 6, 2011, 06:35 PM.
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jeff_hostetler wrote: View PostOtherwise I wouldn't do it. Doesn't make the Raps that much better, unless, as it seems may always the case with BC, this would be a move that makes future moves easier/gathers more tradeable pieces. Other than being taller, Pachulia doesn't bring anything that Dorsey doesn't already. Marvin Williams' contract is far too large. Rather take my chances with Kleiza and Weems.
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yertu damkule wrote: View Posti can see BC being interested in williams, though i'm not entirely sure. he's still young, and has, i guess, some upside, but at this point, he is what he is. mediocre. can't see how he improves them now, or down the road.but williams isn't a 'big,' and if the rumour is to be believed, it would be a big from each team involved. if jose & bibby are definites, then to make the $ work, it would almost have to be some combination of guys that appollo pointed out above, most likely zaza & dorsey.
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jeff_hostetler wrote: View PostHere's what should happen:
Calderon and Bargnani for Bibby and Josh Smith.
Basically, it's a move on Atlanta's part for Bargnani, who can help them score and start at the 5, which allows Horford to move to his natural 4 spot. Horford/Bargs = one of best interior combos in the league.
T.O. then swaps Peja for Dalemebert.
Bayless/Bibby
Derozan/Barbosa
Kleiza/Weems
Smith/Davis
Dalembert/Johnson
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In this proposed deal, the Raptors would add 2 rotational players for Calderon. In a new CBA with a projected lower salary cap and a possibility of a hard cap, this would be a good thing. It does add $1.4M in salary for next season but it saves $5.2M in salary for 2012-13. As is, I'm not sure I'd do this trade. If ATL threw in a 1st round pick in exchange for a future 2nd, I'm all over it.
One thing that might be wise to do when looking at Zaza's stats would be to look pre-2007-08 otherwise known as pre-Al Horford. I think this trade would tell all that Bargnani, Davis, and Johnson are the future front court of the team. That might not be a bad thing considering the potential Davis has shown to rebound and alter shots. IMO, as of now, longer term I see Davis starting and Johnson first big off the bench.
Also, having a capable 6'11", 275lbs on a $5M a year contract is not bad trade bait either. Teams are always looking for big men.
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jeff_hostetler wrote: View PostHere's what should happen:
Calderon and Bargnani for Bibby and Josh Smith.
Basically, it's a move on Atlanta's part for Bargnani, who can help them score and start at the 5, which allows Horford to move to his natural 4 spot. Horford/Bargs = one of best interior combos in the league.
T.O. then swaps Peja for Dalemebert.
Bayless/Bibby
Derozan/Barbosa
Kleiza/Weems
Smith/Davis
Dalembert/Johnson“The saving of our world from pending doom will come, not through the complacent adjustment of the conforming majority, but through the creative maladjustment of a nonconforming minority.” - Martin Luther King
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jeff_hostetler wrote: View PostHere's what should happen:
Calderon and Bargnani for Bibby and Josh Smith.
Basically, it's a move on Atlanta's part for Bargnani, who can help them score and start at the 5, which allows Horford to move to his natural 4 spot. Horford/Bargs = one of best interior combos in the league.
T.O. then swaps Peja for Dalemebert.
Bayless/Bibby
Derozan/Barbosa
Kleiza/Weems
Smith/Davis
Dalembert/Johnson
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