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  • The Politics Behind Toronto Starting Jack or Calderon

    Fantastic read courtesy of HoopsVibe regarding the Jack/Jose situation. I know I'm in the minority here, but I too think if BC can find anyway at all in moving Jose that right now is the time to move him. Jack is proving that he's more than capable leading this team at the PG and so far this season is doing at much better good running the offense than Jose has. Not to mention has been alot more consistent on defence too.

    Take a moment and read the entire article. Click the link at the bottom.

    The politics must end.

    Instead of continuing to try to justify the five-year, $45 million contract they awarded point guard Jose Calderon two years ago, the Toronto Raptors’ front office must swallow their pride, come clean, and concede that Jarrett Jack deserves to start.

    Full time.

    Sure, Calderon has an impressive assists-to-turnover ratio and is a fan favourite with his engaging, good-guy approach. And sure, executive Bryan Colangelo - also known as the former golden boy of Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment - threw his unconditional support behind Calderon when he extended him in July, 2008.

    None of that should matter, though. What should matter is results. And Jack has produced superior results when starting for the injured Calderon and, for several reasons, is better equipped to continue on as the first-stringer.

    Winning teams often take on the identity of their point guard, even if he’s a supporting piece. For instance, when at their best, the world champion Los Angeles Lakers exude Derek Fisher’s determination, while, two years ago, the Boston Celtics had some of young Rajon Rondo’s swagger.

    Perhaps, the best example is Avery Johnson and the San Antonio Spurs. Johnson wasn’t the most talented or gifted point guard, but his will and smarts defined those championship Spur teams.

    First ticket Hall of Fame players like Tim Duncan and David Robinson were the unquestioned superstars. Johnson, however, was very much a co-star, who pushed lead by example guys such as Duncan, Robinson, and the rest of the likeable Spurs.

    Jack is a competitor. He pushes superstar Chris Bosh, an old friend from college, and plays with intensity whenever he takes the floor. Like Johnson, Jack has influenced his teammates, which, in turn, has helped Toronto win five straight games.

    Well, why would coach Jay Triano consider putting Calderon in the starting line-up when he returns from injury? After all, Jack is leading, defending, and, most importantly, winning.
    Source - Click here

  • #2
    let Jose come off the bench with the second unit ... i say leave JJ in the starting lineup until he gives a reason to pull him.
    ~ Court Surfing ~

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    • #3
      Paying a bench player $5 million a season when the core of your team is a train wreck is a lousy idea.

      Paying a bench player $9 million a season when the core of your team is a train wreck is an atrocious idea.

      If the Raptors want to start Jarrett Jack then trading Jose Calderon needs to be a priority ... and preferably should happen prior to the trading deadline.
      nbaroundtable

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      • #4
        How is the core of the Raptors a wreak exactly?

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        • #5
          CalibreMC wrote: View Post
          How is the core of the Raptors a wreak exactly?
          #1 -- Jose Calderon + Hedo Turkoglu + Chris Bosh + Andrea Bargnani = $45-50 million per annum = .500 team

          #2 -- When a team commits that much money to four players, all on long contracts (if Bosh agrees to stay), then they should be close to competing for a Championship.

          #3 -- Building around a dysfunctional core that is incapable of competing at a high level is a disaster waiting to happen (train wreck).

          #4 -- That large of a commitment reduces the Raptors flexibility to make further moves. That flexibility is damaged further by giving long (and large) money to bench players.

          #5 -- The Raptors priority should be developing a core of players that can compete at a high level. A group that can lead a team in a long playoff run and become a legitimate contender for a title. Until that goal is reached, the Raptors should not limit their options, they should not make it more difficult to achieve their goals.

          Bryan Colangelo's plan of building around these players is idiotic. He needs a miracle just to turn this into a team capable of getting past the second round. His entire focus should be on correcting this team's flawed core. Unfortunately, it's not, yet, but it will be in the future. The only question is when. How long do we have to wait until he figures out his mistakes?
          Last edited by Dave; Sat Jan 2nd, 2010, 01:40 PM.
          nbaroundtable

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          • #6
            Dave wrote: View Post
            #1 -- Jose Calderon + Hedo Turkoglu + Chris Bosh + Andrea Bargnani = $45-50 million per annum = .500 team

            #2 -- When a team commits that much money to four players, all on long contracts (if Bosh agrees to stay), then they should be close to competing for a Championship.

            #3 -- Building around a dysfunctional core that is incapable of competing at a high level is a disaster waiting to happen (train wreck).

            #4 -- That large of a commitment reduces the Raptors flexibility to make further moves. That flexibility is damaged further by giving long (and large) money to bench players.

            #5 -- The Raptors priority should be developing a core of players that can compete at a high level. A group that can lead a team in a long playoff run and become a legitimate contender for a title. Until that goal is reached, the Raptors should not limit their options, they should not make it more difficult to achieve their goals.

            Bryan Colangelo's plan of building around these players is idiotic. He needs a miracle just to turn this into a team capable of getting past the second round. His entire focus should be on correcting this team's flawed core. Unfortunately, it's not, yet, but it will be in the future. The only question is when. How long do we have to wait until he figures out his mistakes?
            Well BryCo just signed Turk to that 5 yr 50 mill contract, so unless a team really needs playmaker who shows up every other game, he will be raptor for awhile. BryCo will probably never trade Bargnani unless the trade is extremely favored to us (we all know why). Basically to retool in the summer we would have the Bosh sign and trade option, also to trade Calderon (where we would get less than market value). So unfortunately we will have the same core for the upcoming years.
            Last edited by Babyface_killah; Sun Jan 3rd, 2010, 02:36 AM.

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            • #7
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              Babyface_killah wrote: View Post
              BryCo will probably never trade Bargnani unless the trade is extremely favored to us (we all know why).
              Can you elaborate on this? Does Toronto have a huge Italian population? Or do the raptors make a ton of money from selling merchandise to Italy, or something?

              Certainly this is the case with the Rockets/Yao Ming (I doubt Darryl Morey would willingly build around such an injury-prone player).

              Anyway, it would be quite helpful if you spell it out explicitly..

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              • #8
                Why can't we have two pgs working together?
                With Jose being a raptor we have more option offensively/make plays .... that could actually help us against Boston the other day....

                What happen to the great Jack where rondo wasn't playing.... he still did poorly against above .500 team ...i guess there is no point making a thread about Jack is a better fit in the starting lineup b/c we won below (i mean really below) .500 teams.

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                • #9
                  Dave wrote: View Post
                  #1 -- Jose Calderon + Hedo Turkoglu + Chris Bosh + Andrea Bargnani = $45-50 million per annum = .500 team

                  #2 -- When a team commits that much money to four players, all on long contracts (if Bosh agrees to stay), then they should be close to competing for a Championship.

                  #3 -- Building around a dysfunctional core that is incapable of competing at a high level is a disaster waiting to happen (train wreck).

                  #4 -- That large of a commitment reduces the Raptors flexibility to make further moves. That flexibility is damaged further by giving long (and large) money to bench players.

                  #5 -- The Raptors priority should be developing a core of players that can compete at a high level. A group that can lead a team in a long playoff run and become a legitimate contender for a title. Until that goal is reached, the Raptors should not limit their options, they should not make it more difficult to achieve their goals.

                  Bryan Colangelo's plan of building around these players is idiotic. He needs a miracle just to turn this into a team capable of getting past the second round. His entire focus should be on correcting this team's flawed core. Unfortunately, it's not, yet, but it will be in the future. The only question is when. How long do we have to wait until he figures out his mistakes?
                  Raptors salary position describes most of the NBA.
                  Of course if you really want to win - you'll "develop" players like Boston, Magic, Cleveland, Lakers - FA and Trades! (And a lucky draft pick)
                  The best Raptors discussion board is at Raptors Republic.

                  Stephen Brotherston, Pro Bball Report

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                  • #10
                    What to do with Jose Calderon?

                    "If we have to limit his minutes, we'd have to decide whether that's at the start or during the game," the coach said. "I don't know what way we'd go."
                    There will unquestionably be issues of timing and cohesion when he's back in the lineup, another reason to think his minutes might be limited.

                    Also in consideration would be the performance of Jarrett Jack as a spot starter.
                    Banks, who has been solid if unspectacular in a backup role, is also up in the air. It's a virtual certainty that his minutes will be cut whenever Calderon is back
                    TheStar.com
                    Last edited by Apollo; Tue Jan 5th, 2010, 08:41 AM.

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