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jd4 wrote: View PostBosh is definitely the better player. Andrea may have more talent but he doesn't use it and Bosh's basketball IQ is better.
As for the Heat, basically their offence, as presently constructed is based on pushing the ball out to James and Wade, then letting them go. That works great in the regular season against most of the teams in the NBA but when you get a good defensive club like Boston and Chicago and you need to go to a 1/2 court offence, it doesn't work. If it did, the Phoenix Suns of 4-5 years ago would have won a few championships.
Miami needs to find a play-making point guard who can run the offence and feed Wade and James. Those two guys play too similar of a style to be effective without someone getting them the ball. After that, if they could add a good defensive centre and a decent power forward who can play good D and score occasionally, they'll be fine. Finding these pieces is going to be tough though. One guy that could fit in their nicely is Steve Nash. He'd be great at feeding Wade and James the ball. Not sure if Miami have the assets to get him though in a trade or if Nash would want to go.
I think Reily won't yet pull the plug on the big 3 yet. Coach Spo. will be the fall guy after the season and I think he'll give it another shot next year. Unfortunately, though, with a hard cap likely coming, I don't know what he's going to do with $45 million tied up in 3 players?
So basically the heat need Calderon.
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DunkinDerozan wrote: View PostBargnani is better its not even close! Comparing there attributes.. Bargnani is bigger, stronger, quicker comparing their skill bargani has longer range, a more versitile arisenal of moves, and better passing out of the double teams. He's also much healthier and much less wear and tear. Bosh is 26 going on 40Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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Tim W. wrote: View PostThe fact that you don't even mention defense and rebounding says something. Bosh is putting up better stats as the third option this season than Bargnani is as the first option. Who really cares how much more versatile Bargnani is. Charlie Villanueva is more versatile than Dwyane Wade, but guess which one is the better player?
So are you implying its easier to produce as the focal point where the other team game plans for you and double teams you, as oppose to a third option where your left wide open because the other team has other players to worry about.
You can't compare apples with oranges. Charlie is a power forward wade is a shooting guard and highly doubt charlie is more versatile than wade.Last edited by DunkinDerozan; Thu Mar 10, 2011, 04:46 PM.
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DunkinDerozan wrote: View PostI didnt compare defense and rebounding for a reason. Simply because those are both team measure but if you've noticed this post is comparing indivual players.
So are you implying its easier to produce as the focal point where the other team game plans for you and double teams you, as oppose to a third option where your left wide open because the other team has other players to worry about.
You can't compare apples with oranges. Charlie is a power forward wade is a shooting guard and highly doubt charlie is more versatile than wade.
So if Bosh and Bargnani are fairly equal as scorers (Bargnani is more versatile, but Bosh is more efficient and gets to the line a lot more), you have to look at other aspects, and Bosh is a MUCH better rebounder than Bargnani and a better defender. Everything else is about even.
I simply can't see for the life of me why anyone would say Bargnani is better than Bosh.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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I have to agree with Tim on this one.
Though most people have been logical enough to say Bosh.
But if we take it one step further, and do Bosh or Vince.
I still say Vince. He's the ONLY SuperStar, the Raptors have ever had.
Bosh proved to be no less of a puss, without even having a 'legitimate' injury.
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Tim W. wrote: View PostI'm not sure how scoring is individual and rebounding and defense are not. Bosh is by far a better player than Bargnani. When he was the #1 option, not only did he score at least as much as Bargnani does, but he also rebounded a lot better and played better defense. Versatility on offense doesn't matter. Results matter. Karl Malone was not versatile, but he's the second leading scoring in NBA history. Either you can score or not. How many different ways you do it doesn't matter in the end. Just that you can.
So if Bosh and Bargnani are fairly equal as scorers (Bargnani is more versatile, but Bosh is more efficient and gets to the line a lot more), you have to look at other aspects, and Bosh is a MUCH better rebounder than Bargnani and a better defender. Everything else is about even.
I simply can't see for the life of me why anyone would say Bargnani is better than Bosh.
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DunkinDerozan wrote: View PostI listed like 10 reason you just need to open your eyes.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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joey_hesketh wrote: View PostI have to agree with Tim on this one.
Though most people have been logical enough to say Bosh.
But if we take it one step further, and do Bosh or Vince.
I still say Vince. He's the ONLY SuperStar, the Raptors have ever had.
Bosh proved to be no less of a puss, without even having a 'legitimate' injury.Read my blog, The Picket Fence. Guaranteed to make you think or your money back!
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JoePanini wrote: View PostHonestly if Vince was less of a self-centered douche, it would have been great to build around him.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostI've never though of him as self-centered. I've always thought of him as a waste of talent due to his lack of desire to lead and work to improve. He doesn't and didn't have what it takes to push himself to greatness.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostI've never though of him as self-centered. I've always thought of him as a waste of talent due to his lack of desire to lead and work to improve. He doesn't and didn't have what it takes to push himself to greatness.
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heinz57 wrote: View Posthe was also prone to pussy-face.. the precursor to talent about to get wasted... and it got worse and worse every passing day that he was here.. you know, when the insides of his eyebrows raise and his forehead got all wrinkly... and he got that look that puppy dogs have when they really gotta pee but you're taking your jolly time opening the door.
Ever see Ed Davis' face when he plays? He should be in a L'Oreal commercial - not a line or wrinkle.
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DunkinDerozan is a silly little troll. Why is this a thread? A prime Bargnani isn't even hands down the best player on a 17 win team. Furthermore, defense and rebounding aside, Bosh still destroys Bargnani when it comes to putting up points.
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