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  • #61
    RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    I know it's year 2 but he shouldn't be playing SG. Shooting isn't his strength and it most likely never will be. He should gain some mass and play SF.
    your the biggest moron on here. Why don't u get it? Its his 2nd year for god sake, he's not MJ. I strongly disagree with him playing SF. Have you seen his mid range shot? it keeps getting better and better, i think you need to get yours eyes and brain checked. You don't have to be a great shooter to play SG, look at players like Andre Iguodala.

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    • #62
      SG are suppose to be able to drill open 3s (especially with our starting 5), that'll never be his strength. He might become good but never great at it. He's just not that type of player. He can drill mid range shots all he wants from SF position.

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      • #63
        RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
        SG are suppose to be able to drill open 3s (especially with our starting 5), that'll never be his strength. He might become good but never great at it. He's just not that type of player. He can drill mid range shots all he wants from SF position.
        Or we can get a SF who can drill open 3s and let Demar defend, post up and ferociously attack the opposing SG. That's probably where his biggest matchup advantage lies.

        Either way, Demar is already nailing long 2s at a decent enough clip now, so it shouldn't be too much for him in a year or so to take a step or two back.

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        • #64
          RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
          SG are suppose to be able to drill open 3s
          Since when? Loads of SGs have not been great 3 point shooters (Michael Jordan was horrible his first 4 years in the league). What's the difference if your SG is a good 3 point shooter or your SF? It makes absolutely no difference. I agree that ONE of them should probably be a good 3 point shooter, but that has to do with spacing, not what position they play.

          I've never cared when Bargnani has scored from because I think, in today's NBA, it's irrelevant. You could have your center take threes, your SG be in the post and your PF be great from mid-range. As long as the spacing is good and your offense is efficient.
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          • #65
            I agree with timbo, calling someone a 2 or a 3, (or 1,4,5) for that matter is irrelevent. They are used because people generally matchup against the player on the opposite team who is roughly their height. You do however see teams play "big" or play "small" If demar and weems are on at the same time it doesn't matter who you call the 2 or the 3, futhermore attaching at "2" to demar and a "3" to weems doesn't mean that they have to guard their counterpart on opposite teams (although that is how it usually) works. Demar could guard the other team's 2 one game and the next team's 3, it all depends on the match ups. I would love to see play "bigger" with bargs at the 3 in certain scenarios. Not sure he can defend all opposing 3s but i definitely think getting him out there could be very effective for a few possessions a game. I could see Amir, Evans, and Bargs being an effective defensive and rebounding frontcourt. It would also pose some problems for the oppositions defense and we could also potentially get quite a lot of offensive rebounds.
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            • #66
              Tim W. wrote: View Post
              That's like saying a great looking girl with an awful personality and a ugly looking girl with a great personality balance each other out. They don't. They just make an odd pair of girls that no one wants to be with.
              Analogy of the year.

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              • #67
                Raptors_ wrote: View Post
                your the biggest moron on here. Why don't u get it? Its his 2nd year for god sake, he's not MJ. I strongly disagree with him playing SF. Have you seen his mid range shot? it keeps getting better and better, i think you need to get yours eyes and brain checked. You don't have to be a great shooter to play SG, look at players like Andre Iguodala.
                Calling someone a moron doesn't strengthen your reputation on this site

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                • #68
                  Another Great Night for Evans

                  Do we really need to keep Amir and let Evans just walk away ?

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                  • #69
                    After Derozan's work on his jump shot, Amir has been the guy that has impressed me the MOST this season. Davis has developed nicely and hopefully will continue to develop, but Amir is playing very solid and on a VERY reasonable contract. Just because Davis has the POTENTIAL to be better than Amir is not good enough reason to trade him. Amir still has a lot of potential as well, and a lot of room for his stock to rise. Small forward is our problem but we don't need to trade amir to address that. I also think that Davis WILL NOT be ready to start next year (at least not to the very end of the season) and I have yet to hear a compelling argument AGAINST keeping both, since we DO have the money. From a contracts perspective Jose's contract is way more of a liability than Amir's (and i still say keep calderon too, but that's another argument).
                    "They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014

                    "I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015

                    "We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon

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                    • #70
                      ezz_bee wrote: View Post
                      After Derozan's work on his jump shot, Amir has been the guy that has impressed me the MOST this season. Davis has developed nicely and hopefully will continue to develop, but Amir is playing very solid and on a VERY reasonable contract. Just because Davis has the POTENTIAL to be better than Amir is not good enough reason to trade him. Amir still has a lot of potential as well, and a lot of room for his stock to rise. Small forward is our problem but we don't need to trade amir to address that. I also think that Davis WILL NOT be ready to start next year (at least not to the very end of the season) and I have yet to hear a compelling argument AGAINST keeping both, since we DO have the money. From a contracts perspective Jose's contract is way more of a liability than Amir's (and i still say keep calderon too, but that's another argument).
                      Really good post.

                      I don't see the need to trade Amir. Injuries/bad games/match ups/rest require more than two bigs. As you said, Amir's contract is very reasonable and Ed is still on his rookie deal for 3 more seasons. To me keeping both is a no brainer.

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                      • #71
                        We have a real nice bigman rotation with Bargnani, Davis and Amir.

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                        • #72
                          Multipaul wrote: View Post
                          Calling someone a moron doesn't strengthen your reputation on this site
                          Who said anything about strengthening my reputation? i could care less what people think of me on here

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                          • #73
                            JoePanini wrote: View Post
                            We have a real nice bigman rotation with Bargnani, Davis and Amir.
                            Then why have the Raptors only won 19 games? I think Davis will be an excellent starter, and Amir will make a great bench guy, but there's obviously something wrong or the team would have won more games. Especially since Calderon and DeRozan aren't exactly scrubs. They're not great, by any means, but they're certainly half decent.
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                            • #74
                              Tim W. wrote: View Post
                              Then why have the Raptors only won 19 games? I think Davis will be an excellent starter, and Amir will make a great bench guy, but there's obviously something wrong or the team would have won more games. Especially since Calderon and DeRozan aren't exactly scrubs. They're not great, by any means, but they're certainly half decent.
                              Well the Clippers have a far better team yet they are also struggling. And they have two star players in Gordon and Griffin. For now we have no star players, just many decent players and Davis and DeRozan who are players with loads of potential. Honestly, I think we are only missing a few pieces. Imagine if we added a guy like Gerald Wallace to our starting line-up. I think we would be a 40 win team at least. And the problem is, that we don't have any great player. All the teams with winning records have a great player, having many decent players is nearly never successful unless you also have a star player in the mix.
                              Anyways, the Raptors are still rebuilding, and I think that it will take at least 2 years until we actually become competitive...

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                              • #75
                                JoePanini wrote: View Post
                                Well the Clippers have a far better team yet they are also struggling. And they have two star players in Gordon and Griffin. For now we have no star players, just many decent players and Davis and DeRozan who are players with loads of potential. Honestly, I think we are only missing a few pieces. Imagine if we added a guy like Gerald Wallace to our starting line-up. I think we would be a 40 win team at least. And the problem is, that we don't have any great player. All the teams with winning records have a great player, having many decent players is nearly never successful unless you also have a star player in the mix.
                                Anyways, the Raptors are still rebuilding, and I think that it will take at least 2 years until we actually become competitive...
                                The Clippers have three good players (Griffin, Gordon and Kaman), but Kaman has struggled due to injuries, which has taken a hit in the win column. He's been playing much better recently, which is one reason they've been winning more.

                                What the CLippers have a lot of his POTENTIAL talent, in Jordan, Bledsoe and Aminu, but I have no idea whether they will turn out to be decent players or not.

                                Why the CLippers are in a better position than the Raptors is because they have two All-Stars on the roster and a legit starting center. Unfortunately the rest of the team is simply not that good.
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