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albertan_10 wrote: View PostWhat mess? The young group that wants to improve? The players who actually like the city? The players who play with heart? You must be watching something else. Sure the win loss is bad right now but we all saw it coming. BC did absolutely everything he could to try to get Bosh to stay around and lucked out (offer to overpay Trevor ariza that summer, remember that?). Not his fault. Got turkuglu who we loved until he forgot how to play ball. BCs fault? No. He did what made sense and it didn't work out. How about this season? He wasn't setting us up to tank by trying to acquire Chandler, Diaw and Matt Barnes. He anted to be competitive. Things didn't work out and when he saw a team headed towards 25-30 wins he sent off JJ and started the youth movement. It's not a mess. He has actually done a good job when you consider everything that has fallen through. To call it a mess is absurd. The goal now is to win long term and not just next year.
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smushmush wrote: View PostUnfortunately, sport teams are not a business and is a hobby and about winning imo. If the Teachers Pension want a business or an investment with profits - the stock and real estate markets are financially viable options imo.“The saving of our world from pending doom will come, not through the complacent adjustment of the conforming majority, but through the creative maladjustment of a nonconforming minority.” - Martin Luther King
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smushmush wrote: View PostIf he makes a bad pick as a resentment of not being re-upped, BC spoils his reputation as a class act to prospective employers if he is fired.
smushmush wrote: View PostImo, BC should make the right pick and be a class act like Kevin Pritchard (notice teams are still interested in Kevin. Why? It is because he left as a class act even after being fired on draft day by making the right pick in the draft).
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smushmush wrote: View PostWhy are you surprised about an accountant opposing him even if the team is profitable for now ? Imo, if we are looking at the attendance record which has been abysmal (did BC really think Toronto Raptors fans are like Maple Leafs fans that watch losing and misery? Guess what Toronto Raptors fans are not like that.). The financial vibrancy of a non-lottery team for a long time a la the Clippers especially if the Raptors don't make the playoffs 3 seasons after this one (which is more likely to happen under a BC extension imo) is horrible to think of, could likely lead to losses and that is clearly the job of an accountant which is to decide whether a business a la the Toronto Raptors is financially vibrant or not. Nobody loves a loser and supports a loser, making the playoffs every year (3 teams in each conference are guaranteed the playoffs as contenders and 5 more spots are up for grabs in each conference by 12 teams - that is good odds of making the 5 spots to me imo) should not be hard to do imo. My 2 cents.
Moreover, you seem to suggest that Toronto fans would be sufficiently satisfied by a bottom-seeded playoff team. Yes, making one of the 5 remaining spots out of the 12 remaining teams isn't that hard -- heck, why don't we just say that 8/15 aren't exactly long odds. If Silvestri's stance mirrors yours, then even more reason not to respect his "evaluation".
I'm not going to say the team is better off without Bosh. From a talent and resource standpoint, of course it isn't. Whenever you lose an all-star for essentially nothing, your team is going to take a hit. We certainly aren't even in the best position for a rebuild -- we don't have an obvious franchise player already in the fold -- but we are in a position for a rebuild. Considering how the team had already topped out in 2006-2007, we should welcome this and reject the notion we would rather have continued as a fringe playoff team. Is it hard to be one of the top 8 teams in the conference? No. Is it hard to be one of the top 4 teams in the conference? Yes, and that's where we want to be.
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albertan_10 wrote: View PostWhat mess? The young group that wants to improve? The players who actually like the city? The players who play with heart? You must be watching something else. Sure the win loss is bad right now but we all saw it coming. BC did absolutely everything he could to try to get Bosh to stay around and lucked out (offer to overpay Trevor ariza that summer, remember that?). Not his fault. Got turkuglu who we loved until he forgot how to play ball. BCs fault? No. He did what made sense and it didn't work out. How about this season? He wasn't setting us up to tank by trying to acquire Chandler, Diaw and Matt Barnes. He anted to be competitive. Things didn't work out and when he saw a team headed towards 25-30 wins he sent off JJ and started the youth movement. It's not a mess. He has actually done a good job when you consider everything that has fallen through. To call it a mess is absurd. The goal now is to win long term and not just next year.
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smushmush wrote: View PostIf he makes a bad pick as a resentment of not being re-upped, BC spoils his reputation as a class act to prospective employers if he is fired. Imo, BC should make the right pick and be a class act like Kevin Pritchard (notice teams are still interested in Kevin. Why? It is because he left as a class act even after being fired on draft day by making the right pick in the draft).
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Remember that old saying, "Money is the root of all evil." Well, you can see this statement come ture in the way things are run by OTPP. Why would you let a bean counter named Silvestri stand in the way of resigning BC? Yes, he's made errors. But you know what, when you look at all of the moves he has made, on paper they pretty much all made sense. Was it his fault that: Kapono was a bum, Jermaine O'Neal picked when he wanted to play, Turkoglu was a bum, and Bosh wasn't honest with him? That's the fault of the players more than the GM. Since Bosh left and BC has been building the team his way, we are slowly beginning to see the beginning of something good. This summer is so critical to the future of the Raptors. A top 5 pick, cap space, the Bosh trade exemption, and an upcoming hard cap has put this team in a real nice position, thanks to BC. Here's a suggestion. If the majority of people on the site want to see BC continue the rebuild of our beloved Raptors, what would you think of expressing our thoughts to MLSE and perhaps getting a petition going to get BC resigned? Any thoughts?
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jd4 wrote: View PostRemember that old saying, "Money is the root of all evil." Well, you can see this statement come ture in the way things are run by OTPP. Why would you let a bean counter named Silvestri stand in the way of resigning BC? Yes, he's made errors. But you know what, when you look at all of the moves he has made, on paper they pretty much all made sense. Was it his fault that: Kapono was a bum, Jermaine O'Neal picked when he wanted to play, Turkoglu was a bum, and Bosh wasn't honest with him? That's the fault of the players more than the GM. Since Bosh left and BC has been building the team his way, we are slowly beginning to see the beginning of something good. This summer is so critical to the future of the Raptors. A top 5 pick, cap space, the Bosh trade exemption, and an upcoming hard cap has put this team in a real nice position, thanks to BC. Here's a suggestion. If the majority of people on the site want to see BC continue the rebuild of our beloved Raptors, what would you think of expressing our thoughts to MLSE and perhaps getting a petition going to get BC resigned? Any thoughts?
ADD: and MLSE won't care what the fans want, just what they will pay for.
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"I’m not saying owner Herb Simon won’t try to re-enlist Bird, though that’s a distinct possibility. Should an offer be extended, however, it definitely won’t be remotely near the $5 million he will have banked for eight straight seasons — more like $1 million, tops, per year for three or four"
For all the crap BC gets for his salary/contract and results, imagine paying Bird $5M per season for the last 8 years.
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How can it be said that Silvestri is talking as an accountant simply because he is one? He could be a fan as well and disagrees with moves or philosophy. A lot of opinions here (including my own).
I sure as hell don't want a "fan" making any important decisions about the Toronto Raptors.Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.
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Quixotic wrote: View PostYes, no professional who wants to work in the league again would purposely draft some nobody just to spite the team.
Class act like Kevin Pritchard? Seriously? You say he made "the right pick the draft." Says who? You? How are you so certain he made the same pick he would have had he received an extension? Nothing but speculation, and it's funny you're so quick to use the words "class act" after what happened in Portland. Was he a class act when he undermined the Trailblazer's position during Roy's contract talks? Was he a class act when he whined to everyone who would listen about how he should be paid more than Nate McMillan? You suggest, "notice teams are still interested in Kevin [...]", when one could just as easily infer the opposite. Notice how despite his excellent track record as a GM, teams are only "interested" and haven't offered him a job? Lord knows there's a lot of teams that could use a GM of his caliber right now.
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