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  • Tim W.
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    Maleko wrote: View Post
    Of course I also wouldn't have signed/traded for David Lee either, and very likely wouldn't have drafted Udoh, so I can't say the team would be anything like they are if I was running them.
    Completely agree. But I also would have traded Monta Ellis.

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  • Multipaul
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    Maleko wrote: View Post
    Not particularly but I don't like Bargnani, and I do like Curry. There has been talk on Hoopshype over the last couple of months about Smart and Curry being at odds. As of today they are trying to put a spin on it, but they don't get along. They also have really fallen out of favour with Biedrins so Curry would be the dice for taking him off their hands.
    Hahah, you're awesome man.

    how bout this, I don't like Demar or Amir ...so lets put them together, and trade for Kobe. We can throw in Dorsey and Reg on a sign and trade.

    I like Kobe, so this deal must work.

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  • Maleko
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    Apollo wrote: View Post
    If you were running the Warriors would you pull the trigger on that one?
    Of course I also wouldn't have signed/traded for David Lee either, and very likely wouldn't have drafted Udoh, so I can't say the team would be anything like they are if I was running them.

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  • Maleko
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    Multipaul wrote: View Post
    Why not throw in Ellis as well, we can send them Demar.
    Salaries wouldn't match. :-)

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  • Maleko
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    Apollo wrote: View Post
    If you were running the Warriors would you pull the trigger on that one?
    Not particularly but I don't like Bargnani, and I do like Curry. There has been talk on Hoopshype over the last couple of months about Smart and Curry being at odds. As of today they are trying to put a spin on it, but they don't get along. They also have really fallen out of favour with Biedrins so Curry would be the dice for taking him off their hands.

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  • Multipaul
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    Maleko wrote: View Post
    Then make it Bargs, Bayless for Biedrins, Curry and their #1 draft pick.
    Why not throw in Ellis as well, we can send them Demar.

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  • Apollo
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    If you were running the Warriors would you pull the trigger on that one?

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  • Maleko
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    Multipaul wrote: View Post
    Sorry dude, Biedrins for Bargs makes now sense. Bargs is in a much higher category, and Biedrins IS NOT a good defender. You are off the mark there. That would be the steal of the century for the OTHER TEAM if we did this trade.
    Then make it Bargs, Bayless for Biedrins, Curry and their #1 draft pick.

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  • Tim W.
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    JoePanini wrote: View Post
    There aren't many centers who can do that. Actually the only players I can think of are Bynum, Howard and Kaman, and Howard's offense isn't very good (although his hook has been improving)
    I'd put Bogut and Horford in there. They don't average as much, but both are good post scorers. I would have put Brook Lopez in there, but his rebounding has gotten just plain bad, but at least he's a pretty good defender. Marc Gasol and Hibbert are two guys who are good all around centers that still demand double teams when they get the ball. Greg Monroe and DeMarcus Cousins are two young centers that have a chance to be very good scorers, rebounders and defenders.

    I'm not saying it's easy to find one and in fact said I'd take a center that can just defend and rebound (and who's not a liability on offense), but the fact is that the Raptors are lacking a lot of pieces.

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  • Multipaul
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    Sorry dude, Biedrins for Bargs makes now sense. Bargs is in a much higher category, and Biedrins IS NOT a good defender. You are off the mark there. That would be the steal of the century for the OTHER TEAM if we did this trade.

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  • Maleko
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    I am more than fine with a strong C who plays defense and rebounds and his scoring is fine at 8-12pts a game. I think I said somewhere else I like the scoring wings and controlling moderate scoring floor general PG with paint clogging punch you in the mouth defense at the 4 and 5 (a la ED and Perkins/Howard style) that can play at put backs with their rebounding (when the wings do jump shots) and play efficiently at the basket for their points.

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  • Maleko
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    JoePanini wrote: View Post
    There aren't many centers who can do that. Actually the only players I can think of are Bynum, Howard and Kaman, and Howard's offense isn't very good (although his hook has been improving)
    Okafor?

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  • Maleko
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    Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Biedrins actually isn't a good defender. He grabs rebounds and blocks some shots, but he's not a good defender, especially on the ball. I used to like Biedrins, but I think he's played on a bad team with absolutely no focus on defense for too long. I fear he's gone the way of Corey Maggette.
    Yikes.

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  • JoePanini
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    Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Keeping Bargnani, Amir and Davis as your three main frontcourt players is going to get you more of the same that we've seen all year. Davis and Amir trying to cover up for the fact that Bargnani can't defend or rebound, and more losing. I want to win, so I'd keep the players who can defend and do the little things. It would be nice to be able to replace Bargnani with a center who can score, rebound AND defend, but at this point, I'd take a rebounder and defender and hope that Davis develops offensively and leave most of the scoring up to the wings.
    There aren't many centers who can do that. Actually the only players I can think of are Bynum, Howard and Kaman, and Howard's offense isn't very good (although his hook has been improving)

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  • Tim W.
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    Maleko wrote: View Post
    I know Multi takes swings at me for it but I like the Bargs for Biedrins push. It works money wise now, Biedrins is a 12/12 guy who runs and plays good defense. (and is out of favour with the 'what is defense' Warriors. They are shopping him and we should get a pick as a reward for taking him and giving them another scorer.)
    Offense: We lose, what 8-10 pts from Bargs to Andris (which we of course look to make up with a stellar SF coming in ala Barnes/TJones/DWilliams/etc and a new PG this year or next, consistency from the growth of Derozan and ED.) plus their 1st rounder this year or next. We can get say a Kemba Walker or Nolan with that pick and Barnes with ours for instance. Or I really prefer chasing Myck Kabongo next year.

    Defensively we gain points (major?) with the switch out of Andris for Bargs, we improve morale (see below) and balance the floor better (ya ya come on out with the Bargs spreads the floor crap when he shoots a worse 3pt% than Lamar Odom.)

    Morale: how does it make the young guys feel when they work their asses off and Bargs stands and watches with his mouth hanging open (without consequence from the coaching staff). Hey I used to like this guy, but now I want to body slam him into voltage wires just to get some energy into him for more than 1 in 20 games.
    Biedrins actually isn't a good defender. He grabs rebounds and blocks some shots, but he's not a good defender, especially on the ball. I used to like Biedrins, but I think he's played on a bad team with absolutely no focus on defense for too long. I fear he's gone the way of Corey Maggette.

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