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Raptors_ wrote: View PostYour totally right, i think we need to throw out bargnani and bring in a rebounding monster who can also defend.
Tim W. wrote: View PostKeeping Bargnani, Amir and Davis as your three main frontcourt players is going to get you more of the same that we've seen all year. Davis and Amir trying to cover up for the fact that Bargnani can't defend or rebound, and more losing. I want to win, so I'd keep the players who can defend and do the little things. It would be nice to be able to replace Bargnani with a center who can score, rebound AND defend, but at this point, I'd take a rebounder and defender and hope that Davis develops offensively and leave most of the scoring up to the wings.
Offense: We lose, what 8-10 pts from Bargs to Andris (which we of course look to make up with a stellar SF coming in ala Barnes/TJones/DWilliams/etc and a new PG this year or next, consistency from the growth of Derozan and ED.) plus their 1st rounder this year or next. We can get say a Kemba Walker or Nolan with that pick and Barnes with ours for instance. Or I really prefer chasing Myck Kabongo next year.
Defensively we gain points (major?) with the switch out of Andris for Bargs, we improve morale (see below) and balance the floor better (ya ya come on out with the Bargs spreads the floor crap when he shoots a worse 3pt% than Lamar Odom.)
Morale: how does it make the young guys feel when they work their asses off and Bargs stands and watches with his mouth hanging open (without consequence from the coaching staff). Hey I used to like this guy, but now I want to body slam him into voltage wires just to get some energy into him for more than 1 in 20 games.
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Tim W. wrote: View PostKeeping Bargnani, Amir and Davis as your three main frontcourt players is going to get you more of the same that we've seen all year. Davis and Amir trying to cover up for the fact that Bargnani can't defend or rebound, and more losing. I want to win, so I'd keep the players who can defend and do the little things. It would be nice to be able to replace Bargnani with a center who can score, rebound AND defend, but at this point, I'd take a rebounder and defender and hope that Davis develops offensively and leave most of the scoring up to the wings.
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Keeping Bargnani, Amir and Davis as your three main frontcourt players is going to get you more of the same that we've seen all year. Davis and Amir trying to cover up for the fact that Bargnani can't defend or rebound, and more losing. I want to win, so I'd keep the players who can defend and do the little things. It would be nice to be able to replace Bargnani with a center who can score, rebound AND defend, but at this point, I'd take a rebounder and defender and hope that Davis develops offensively and leave most of the scoring up to the wings.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostMost teams have a three man rotation with their bigs. Depending on injuries or match ups, Amir might get 15 minutes one night and 35 the next. For the next 4 years the most they'll pay for the three is $20M. Compare that to CHA with $24M tied up in Diaw, Diop, and Thomas. Atlanta with $31M tied up in Horford/Smith/Pachualia. LAL with nearly $40M tied up in Bynum/Gasol/Odom. For me, money or playing time isn't the issue, it is can they win together. That will take time to figure out. A rebounding/defending SF certainly makes me think there is a high likelyhood.
i also noticed the more money you pay, the better chance of getting a title. case and point, your examples on how much the combined salaries are for the bigs.
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tbihis wrote: View PostI agree. the team should keep amir. but the 26 per game, IMO maybe a bit two much. He cant be substituting for two players. Im sure there will be a center that has to sub in for Bargs, probably Dorsey. If you look at the past games, when all 5 starters play more than 35 mins, the 6th man usually gets 20 or less minutes. might not always be the case on every given night, but amir cant be subbing for both bargs and ed.
i do hope they find a way to keep both amir and ed while bargnani is on the team too. but i do hope BC is able to get a lopsided deal for bargs. wishful thinking.
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In order
Team 1) Amir, Drea. 2) Evans, Ed. 3) Dorsey, Alabi.
Lets look at this team now, with 15 players.
1) Jose, Bayless
2)Derozan, Barbosa
3)Johnson, Kleiza, Weems, Wright
4)Amir, Evans, Dorsey
5)Drea, Ed, Ajinca, Alabi
Let, Ajinca and Wright walk draft a point-guard and bring in another 2/3 player.
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Last year there were many fans in here who didn't want the Raptors to trade Chris Bosh for Andrew Bynum because of Bynum's past health issues.
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ebrian wrote: View PostOh, you said to take into account how much they're making. I missed that part. In that case, here's my list:
Amir Johnson
Ed Davis
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Matt52 wrote: View PostI meant no sarcasm, so hopefully no offense taken as none meant.
If Bargnani and ED play 35 mins each, that still leaves 26 mins per game. Then consider foul trouble and injury that are bound to happen. Amir, IMO, is a valued and needed piece moving forward.
I agree. the team should keep amir. but the 26 per game, IMO maybe a bit two much. He cant be substituting for two players. Im sure there will be a center that has to sub in for Bargs, probably Dorsey. If you look at the past games, when all 5 starters play more than 35 mins, the 6th man usually gets 20 or less minutes. might not always be the case on every given night, but amir cant be subbing for both bargs and ed.
i do hope they find a way to keep both amir and ed while bargnani is on the team too. but i do hope BC is able to get a lopsided deal for bargs. wishful thinking.
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Oh, you said to take into account how much they're making. I missed that part. In that case, here's my list:
Amir Johnson
Ed Davis
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