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  • jeff_hostetler
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    My best guess about Bass, Bonner, West & Horford:

    They are paired with great/elite help defenders, in Howard, Duncan, Okafor and Smith. This would help get them one to two extra stops that they might have otherwise given up. Not saying they aren't good defenders, but the value of having a great defensive presence down low is that everyone's defense benefits.

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  • Raptor4Ever
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    jeff_hostetler wrote: View Post
    Bass: 15.67
    How much is Bass's contract

    jeff_hostetler wrote: View Post
    Bonner: 15.81
    Doesn't this tell us that system play a major role on how a player plays defense ??!
    I remember Bonner was an awful defender when he was here.

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  • ezz_bee
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    Nice work!!!

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  • Tim W.
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    West's numbers are far better than I would have guessed. And Maxiel...that's just awful.

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  • jeff_hostetler
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    Just though I'd update the list according to the formula I made in the In Depth: Bargnani thread:
    (opponent's PPG + opponent's PER) x opponent's eFG%

    This ranks players according to their on-ball defense, and gives them a rating (lower = better)

    Horford: 13.14
    West: 15.07
    Bass: 15.67
    Bonner: 15.81
    Griffin: 17.59
    Landry: 17.92
    Blatche: 19.23
    Amir Johnson: 19.25
    Love: 19.54
    Warrick: 19.81
    Scola: 21.57
    Millsap: 22.33
    Beasley: 22.45
    Pekovic: 23.94
    Green: 25.39
    Maxiell: 30.19

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  • JoePanini
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    He is our most important player right now, he plays far better than many who earn like him. He deserves every penny he is getting, because he plays hard every night.

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  • bloodyhandedgod
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    It is easier to go with consensus and be wrong than to stand on your own and be right.

    The consensus is he signed a 5 year, $34M contract yet that is clearly incorrect. Since people and especially media can't get that fact correct I do not think he or his supporters will have much luck in the near future convincing people he is worth the contract or is reasonably paid.
    Sarcasm reader is "high" it appears*

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  • bloodyhandedgod
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    A great thread. Well done on the work.
    And yes, we should keep Amir.

    And thanks to this thread I feel even better about it. Imagine if he continues to improve?

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  • heinz57
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    jeff_hostetler wrote: View Post
    Christians?
    you got beef with people who believe in an all powerful invisible entity who somehow inpregnated a virgin who gave birth to a freakish kid in a manger who could walk on water and was resurrected from the dead?

    for shame, sir.

    i'm going to ride over there on my unicorn and adminster a swift beating to you with the asgardian thunder god Thor's mighty hammer Mjollnir, that was given to me by a goblin for the price of three magic beans.

    RELIGION IS REAL!

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Yet I predict people will still complain that he's overpaid. There are some people who, no matter how much evidence you give them, will still close their eyes and deny it.
    It is easier to go with consensus and be wrong than to stand on your own and be right.

    The consensus is he signed a 5 year, $34M contract yet that is clearly incorrect. Since people and especially media can't get that fact correct I do not think he or his supporters will have much luck in the near future convincing people he is worth the contract or is reasonably paid.

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  • jeff_hostetler
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    Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Yet I predict people will still complain that he's overpaid. There are some people who, no matter how much evidence you give them, will still close their eyes and deny it.
    Christians? People who believe 9/11 wasn't an inside job? People who love Andrea Bargnani?

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  • Tim W.
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    Yet I predict people will still complain that he's overpaid. There are some people who, no matter how much evidence you give them, will still close their eyes and deny it.

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  • Bendit
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    Well done! Intangibles like heart, toughness, playing with pain, coachable, good teammate etc cannot be quantified or easily priced. AJ has much of these as well.

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  • ezz_bee
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    jeff_hostetler wrote: View Post
    From 82 games @ the PF position (opponent eFG%, opponent PPG, opponent PER - 48 minute production):

    Amir: .508 - 21 - 16.9
    Griffin: .486 - 21.4 - 14.8
    Love: .496 - 23.7 - 15.7
    Horford: .444 - 17.6 - 12
    West: .477 - 17.7 - 13.9
    Scola: .516 - 22.9 - 18.9
    Blatche: .513 - 19.9 - 17.6
    Beasley: .537 - 23.7 - 18.1 (worse numbers across the board at SF)
    Green: .538 - 25.8 - 21.4
    Millsap: .533 - 22.5 - 19.4

    Among the above 10, Amir ranks 5th in opponents eFG%, 4th in opponents PPG, and 5th in opp. PER. So, out of the above starters, Amir ranks firmly in the middle in terms of his ability to limit his opponent.

    Maxiell: .584 - 26.6 - 25.1
    Warrick: .534 - 21.3 - 15.8
    Bass: .486 - 19.1 - 13.4
    Pekovic: .600 - 21.4 - 18.5
    Bonner: .482 - 19.4 - 13.4
    Landry: .502 - 19.5 - 16.2

    Among the above 7 (including Amir, obviously), he ranks 4th in eFG%, 4th in PPG, and 5th in PER.

    So these numbers tend to show that Amir plays Defense to the average for other players like him. They also show that the good backup PFs play just as well on D (if not slightly better) as a good young starter, which Amir does.

    Awesome sauce! Coangelo should fire his team at the raps and hire the republic to do his number crunching!

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  • jeff_hostetler
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    From 82 games @ the PF position (opponent eFG%, opponent PPG, opponent PER - 48 minute production):

    Amir: .508 - 21 - 16.9
    Griffin: .486 - 21.4 - 14.8
    Love: .496 - 23.7 - 15.7
    Horford: .444 - 17.6 - 12
    West: .477 - 17.7 - 13.9
    Scola: .516 - 22.9 - 18.9
    Blatche: .513 - 19.9 - 17.6
    Beasley: .537 - 23.7 - 18.1 (worse numbers across the board at SF)
    Green: .538 - 25.8 - 21.4
    Millsap: .533 - 22.5 - 19.4

    Among the above 10, Amir ranks 5th in opponents eFG%, 4th in opponents PPG, and 5th in opp. PER. So, out of the above starters, Amir ranks firmly in the middle in terms of his ability to limit his opponent.

    Maxiell: .584 - 26.6 - 25.1
    Warrick: .534 - 21.3 - 15.8
    Bass: .486 - 19.1 - 13.4
    Pekovic: .600 - 21.4 - 18.5
    Bonner: .482 - 19.4 - 13.4
    Landry: .502 - 19.5 - 16.2

    Among the above 7 (including Amir, obviously), he ranks 4th in eFG%, 4th in PPG, and 5th in PER.

    So these numbers tend to show that Amir plays Defense to the average for other players like him. They also show that the good backup PFs play just as well on D (if not slightly better) as a good young starter, which Amir does.
    Last edited by jeff_hostetler; Fri Mar 25, 2011, 09:48 AM.

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