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  • interesting article by Bill Simmons about the lockout...
    LINK

    He talks about how the NBA lost 300 million this year and then complies a list of horrible contracts that also adds up to 300 million. The funny thing is that 8 of the almost 30 players on that list have worn a raptors jersey at some point in their career. Not saying this as a poke at toronto management because some of these guys are on contracts they signed w/ other teams, but thought it was funny...

    You know how I know this? Because the players made $2.1 billion dollars this year … and again the owners lost $300 million. Hold on, I have their $300 million right here: Vince Carter ($17.5m), Richard Hamilton ($12.5m), Baron Davis ($13m), Jose Calderon ($9m), Gilbert Arenas ($17.7m), Rashard Lewis ($19.6m), Michael Redd ($18.3m), Matt Carroll ($4.3m), Mike Dunleavy ($10.6m), Jason Kapono ($6.6m), Andrei Kirilenko ($17.8m), Marvin Williams ($7.2m), Jared Jeffries ($6.8m), Vlad Radmanovic ($6.8m), Hedo Turkoglu ($10.2m), Boris Diaw ($9m), Marcus Banks ($4.8m), Joel Pryzbilla ($7.4m), TJ Ford (8.5m), Darius Songalia ($4.8m), Andris Biedrins ($9m), Yao Ming ($17.7m), Sam Dalembert ($13.4m), Memo Okur ($9.9m), DeSagana Diop ($6.4m), Jermaine O'Neal ($5.7m), Eddy Curry ($11.2m), Dan Gadzuric ($7.2m), Troy Murphy ($11.9m). Boom! Everyone on that list ranges from "violently overpaid" to "brazenly stole money and hasn't been arrested yet."
    "They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014

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      Last edited by MyMomLovesMe; Sat Jun 18, 2011, 10:32 PM.

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      • Let me see their liabilities. Let me see their loans.


        Funny how I see some struggling with their houses, cars, and lifestyle, while others do not get fooled by the cheese. I don't want to hear the violins from those driving German cars.


        Give me the worst franchise in the league debt free, and I will show you how much money this league can make, while paying my players 10% above norm. Some owners use their franchises like credit cards, they run them up, than they look at the players to make the concessions.


        You have to be a retard that stabs his eye with a fork every time you eat to NOT make money in the NBA.


        EDIT: Seriously guys, there is no bigger brand, if these guys are not making money with their revenues, it only tells me they are complete idiots. No one holds a gun to your head when you decide to buy the Range Rover. You have to take responsibility. The players negotiate the contracts fair and square. I don't want to hear the violin brigade from the privileged. Take your Darwin award and give the job to someone that can do it.
        Last edited by MyMomLovesMe; Sat Jun 18, 2011, 10:38 PM.

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        • Honestly guys,

          It's just embarrassing that these executives can be in this sort of position and not make money. It just means you are dumber than dumb. To cry about the players salaries is the absolute low. These guys are not even educated, they have dedicated their lives to the sport, its beyond retarded to act like they control the league.


          Sorry if I don't roll the way of the privileged scum bags that cry that their sky is falling.


          (Please GOD get the biggest low life of sport, STERN, out of this league... there is no bigger scum bag in a bag full of scum - please get this zombie out this league - PLEASE MAKE HIM A CRYPT where he can lie in peace)


          EDIT: BTW, Raptors Republic rocks because it is the real deal. Realgm will take you if you are 16 and think you know it all. Fuck you dagger, you fucking ruined the Raptor experience with your egotistical bullshit an entire forum goes down in flames due to your senile ineptitude. Go kiss some ass bitch.
          Last edited by MyMomLovesMe; Sun Jun 19, 2011, 05:15 AM.

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          • MyMomLovesMe wrote: View Post
            Honestly guys,

            It's just embarrassing that these executives can be in this sort of position and not make money. It just means you are dumber than dumb. To cry about the players salaries is the absolute low. These guys are not even educated, they have dedicated their lives to the sport, its beyond retarded to act like they control the league.


            Sorry if I don't roll the way of the privileged scum bags that cry that their sky is falling.


            (Please GOD get the biggest low life of sport, STERN, out of this league... there is no bigger scum bag in a bag full of scum - please get this zombie out this league - PLEASE MAKE HIM A CRYPT where he can lie in peace)
            I disagree. It seems that the motive for change is coming from the smaller market teams. The big markets are making piles of money and can afford to sign multiple max players.

            I'm not down with the millionaire versus billionaire fighting which is what this is really about - I could really care less about either.

            What I am interested in is making a league that is much more competitive and gives all teams a realistic chance to win.

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            • Owners backing off hard cap in exchange for big share of net earnings?

              Additionally, the league is slowly backing away from a hard cap. One NBA executive told HOOPSWORLD that owners realize that if they want a hard cap, it's going to cost a season. That's partially why the owners recently backed off their position of non-guaranteed contracts in negotiations with the players.

              Eventually a deal will be reached with the true focus for the league on distribution of Basketball Related Income (BRI). They want a bigger piece of the pie, which is currently at 57% going to the players off the gross.

              The owners want a bigger cut but they also want that off the net, which would dramatically reshape the economic picture - likely at the concession of a hard cap, salary rollbacks and the aforementioned non-guaranteed contracts.

              Regardless, with revenue sharing expected to increase the Lakers are one of the teams expected to bear a greater financial burden moving forward.

              "Either way, if they significantly reduce their player costs and make things more equitable for small market teams, that's going to impact teams with huge payrolls, isn't it,"
              Source: HoopsWorld.com

              How do the players know what the net is when the teams won't share any details?

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              • Today's meeting

                NBPA's Hunter, Fisher, Mason Paul said players will never accept hard cap.
                Source: Twitter / @tribjazz

                At end of labor meeting, still "big gaps" one official says between two sides. Meeting again on Friday. Some movement, civil meeting.
                Source: Twitter / @WojYahooNBA

                NBPA's Hunter: "We are a long, long way away from a deal."
                Source: Twitter / @tribjazz

                CBA talks end around 2:45 pm with no deal and yet another hard cap proposal from league. Union will respond in meeting on Friday....
                Source: Twitter / @alanhahn

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                • Adrian Wojnarowski:
                  Stern: NBA proposed a targeted $62 million cap. As far as league's best offer? "It's all out there." Wouldn't call it "final" though.
                  Gary Washburn:
                  Stern said owners have offered players a "flex cap" which allows teams to go over cap. A modified hard cap. He calls it "significant offer."
                  With $62M and a flex cap (likely a hell of lot fewer exceptions than current system) I would be happy. The players should be too.

                  I also read the players were flexible on a 50-50 split somewhere, and that the league is offering a min $2B salary level per year. Seems another glitch is whether the deal would be for 10yrs (owners) or 5yrs (players). I am for the 10yrs as well.

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                  • Owners to show no mercy after Thursday:

                    Source: blog.mysanantonio.com

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                    • I have no doubt the offer will get worse for players from this point forward. The players are beyond naive if they do not remember what happened to the NHLPA - especially considering it appears to be an NHL model the NBA owners seek.

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                      • The NHL owners broke the NHLPA. They simply let them bleed money until they could not stand it anymore. I don't see such a strategy failing in the NBA. I'm sure NBA players have just as expensive tastes, if not more expensive tastes as they're typically paid more money than NHL players. On top of that I know most NBA owners are like most NHL owners in that their pro team is not their "empire". It's just something they do on the side. As such, they have many other revenue streams. I'm willing to go out on a limb and suggest most players don't have other income streams that can sustain their lifestyles over a long drought. FIBA isn't the answer for them... If FIBA would turn on the NBA and let those guys even go play over there.

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                        • Etan Thomas

                          http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/tho...ited-we-stand/



                          From reading this, the players do not get it in my opinion.

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                          • Owners willing to sacrifice the whole season...

                            Former deputy commissioner Russ Granik, lead negotiator in the past four collective bargaining agreements, said the view of management has changed dramatically since the last labor deal in 2005.

                            "The sense I'm getting is that it's much like it was in 1998-99, that owners seem to be wedded to getting at least a large measure of changes they're asking for, and my feeling is they would be prepared to lose a season if necessary," Granik said in the podcast with ESPN's Ryen Russillo.
                            Source: Sun-Sentinel.com

                            Ugh... Good thing I'm a huge football fan.

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                            • What about the Fans in all CBA Discussions?

                              I've been reading a lot of the articles published that continue to pay special attention to the sides of the owners and players. But what about the fans? without our money going into the purchase of tickets, merchandise etc. both the owners/players would be hard pressed to turn a profit. There are rarely articles which present the fan's point of view, what this means for fans, and more importantly what the fans want. While the players and owners encompass large groups of interested parties, I feel if one side decided to make this a problem for the fans, or even tried to start a fan campaign we would see a different discussion take place altogether. Fans have a huge voice, and I feel the owners/players aren't respecting the ability of the fan.

                              What do you think? do fans ultimately have a voice in these discussions or are we the audience in this as well?

                              Also, my apologies I've posted this under "Everything Raptors" when it probably belongs in the "NBA" section

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                              • ezz_bee wrote: View Post
                                interesting article by Bill Simmons about the lockout...
                                LINK

                                He talks about how the NBA lost 300 million this year and then complies a list of horrible contracts that also adds up to 300 million. The funny thing is that 8 of the almost 30 players on that list have worn a raptors jersey at some point in their career. Not saying this as a poke at toronto management because some of these guys are on contracts they signed w/ other teams, but thought it was funny...
                                Interesting, but I think you're thinking of Chris Jefferies, not Jared Jeffries. Jared was drafted by Washington and is played for Houston last year. Chris played briefly for Toronto but isn't in the NBA, anymore.
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