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  • #31
    I agree with the age restriction, but there's really no right or wrong when it comes to the discussion. i believe that players do benefit from the year of college both mentally and physically when preparing for the NBA. It also gives the scouts and general managers a better view on the overall talent and skill level. agents were exposing this before with potential, athleticism and size.

    And how many kids used to opt out of playing college for the NBA? Very few, typically the most talented. And what of those without the marks to go to a good program but have the skills to get drafted?
    Very few? Not when comparing the years. There was an influx of high schoolers and international players declaring for the draft throughout the 2000's before the rule was implemented. As i mentioned above, they weren't necessarily the most talented, just the most intriguing prospects.

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    • #32
      Four Scenarios That Could Play Out With A Hard Cap
      1. Contracts are phased out. You can't pursue players in free agency until your salary drops below the hard cap. You can't extend contracts or re-sign players if you are over the hard cap. Once below the hard cap you can never exceed the hard cap again.
      2. Contracts are reduced across the board to a certain proportion so that all teams are below the hard cap. (This really hurts for guys like Bosh who took less money to go to Miami to begin with).
      3. Contracts are reduced and contracts are phased out. Contract are reduced but not enough to get luxury tax teams below the hard cap. The rest is accomplished via letting those bigger contracts expire.
      4. The salary cap is increased $10-20M and the rest is taken care of by reducing contracts and/or phasing them out.


      Any way you dice it. A hard cap hurts the big spenders competitive edge the most. It may or may not hurt the Superstar's salaries.

      I think #4 is the scenario you would be most likely to see the PA agree to.

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      • #33
        Apollo wrote: View Post
        1. Contracts are phased out. You can't pursue players in free agency until your salary drops below the hard cap. You can't extend contracts or re-sign players if you are over the hard cap. Once below the hard cap you can never exceed the hard cap again.
        2. Contracts are reduced across the board to a certain proportion so that all teams are below the hard cap. (This really hurts for guys like Bosh who took less money to go to Miami to begin with).
        3. Contracts are reduced and contracts are phased out. Contract are reduced but not enough to get luxury tax teams below the hard cap. The rest is accomplished via letting those bigger contracts expire.
        4. The salary cap is increased $10-20M and the rest is taken care of by reducing contracts and/or phasing them out.


        Any way you dice it. A hard cap hurts the big spenders competitive edge the most. It may or may not hurt the Superstar's salaries.

        I think #4 is the scenario you would be most likely to see the PA agree to.
        #4 would be my vote as well. Most teams pay up to the luxury tax - make the luxury tax the new hard cap. (A little simplistic but that is the jist of it).

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        • #34
          agreed with number 4. i could also see them implementing the allan houston rule to get those luxury taxed teams underneath the next proposed cap. i'd personally like to see the luxury tax threshold set as the new cap.

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          • #35
            Is #1 even possible? A few teams would have like 4 players on their roster 3 or 4 years from now.
            Eh follow my TWITTER!

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            • #36
              Sure it is. They could allow minimum contract signings which is currently less than $1M. That would get them over the initial hurdle.

              Personally I also feel they should abolish the rookie scale if they bring in a hard cap and non-guaranteed contracts to make it more fair to new players coming into the league. You wouldn't see Europeans like Rubio be so hesitant about coming over here then. The NFL doesn't use a rookie scale and it works fine.

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              • #37
                Apollo wrote: View Post
                Sure it is. They could allow minimum contract signings which is currently less than $1M. That would get them over the initial hurdle.

                Personally I also feel they should abolish the rookie scale if they bring in a hard cap and non-guaranteed contracts to make it more fair to new players coming into the league. You wouldn't see Europeans like Rubio be so hesitant about coming over here then. The NFL doesn't use a rookie scale and it works fine.
                Hmmmm, interesting. I guess if there's a hard cap and they reduce the number of years of guaranteed contracts I could agree. I'm always so hesitant to give young players a huge amount of cash. There's been some careers ruined from too much too soon.
                Eh follow my TWITTER!

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                • #38
                  Ah, that's why I've been mentioning non-guaranteed contracts. The NFL system doesn't guarantee anything but bonuses and they can be avoided most times by cutting the guy before a certain deadline.

                  On the flip side NFL teams typically renegotiate contracts with players when the team is threatening to cut the player because they can't afford him OR when the player suddenly is underpaid for his level of contributions compared with others in the league. The NFL system rewards production. No team is stuck with cap crushing dead weight "Eddy Curry contracts."

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                  • #39
                    Optimism???

                    Not quite 'good news' but better than most other stories out there. The hard cap in the high 60's seems to be the most simple and fair solution out there - in my opinion, of course.

                    How getting teams like the LAL or ORL comply or work in the new system is open for debate but for the majority of teams, this would be a very workable.

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                    • #40
                      the lockout is pure speculation at this point. Time will tell if we have a lockout or not. Personally i think stern won't let it happen.

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                      • #41
                        unless Billy Hunter tries to make this process personal
                        my biggest fear is that hunter takes a stance like demaurice smith is taking with the nfl owners. hopefully the players kibosh any idea of decertification and focus on getting a new deal instead of killing their fanbase.

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                        • #42
                          Raptors_ wrote: View Post
                          the lockout is pure speculation at this point. Time will tell if we have a lockout or not. Personally i think stern won't let it happen.
                          That is what the players said in 1998.

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                          • #43
                            Matt52 wrote: View Post
                            That is what the players said in 1998.
                            was there a lockout?

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                            • #44
                              Raptors_ wrote: View Post
                              was there a lockout?
                              Yes. The lockout was from July 1st until January 20th and caused the season to be shorted to 50 games.

                              Come on now, Raptors_, I know you can do a quick google search - lol.

                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998%E2...99_NBA_lockout

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                              • #45
                                Matt52 wrote: View Post
                                Yes. The lockout was from July 1st until January 20th and caused the season to be shorted to 50 games.

                                Come on now, Raptors_, I know you can do a quick google search - lol.

                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998%E2...99_NBA_lockout
                                ya i did, right after i typed that. But i wouldn't mind if the season was shortened just hope its not completely gone.

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