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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baske...11-11-2011.pdf
There is the actual proposal from USAToday.
It does not get more concrete than this.
*EDIT*
New luxury tax rules do not kick in until year 3 of deal but the 4 of 5 years rule starts accumulating in '11-12.
Carmelo Rule:
Extension-and-trades prohibited. If a player signs a contract extension, then the team is prohibited from trading the player for a period of six months following the date of the extension. If a team acquires a player in a trade, then the team is prohibited from signing the player to a contract extension for a period of six months following the date of the trade.
Big Z Rule:
Waiting period for trading team to re-sign traded player who is waived by recipient team is extended until the earlier of (i) one year from the date of the trade, or (ii) the July 1 following the last season of player’s contract.
Cap holds are decreased - good for free agents and teams with cap room looking to resign their own players and other teams FA's.
New trade rules for non-taxpayer: lesser of 150% + $100K or salaries being traded plus $5M.
o Traded Player Exception increased for non-taxpayers such that the
amount a non-taxpaying team has available to replace a traded
player or players equals the lesser of (i) 150% of salaries of
players being traded plus $100,000, or (ii) the salaries of players
being traded plus $5M. (For purposes of this rule, team is a nontaxpayer
if its post-trade team salary is below the Tax level.)
Traded Player Exception for taxpayers equals 125% of the salaries
of players being traded plus $100,000 (same as under 2005 CBA).
Tax rates for teams that are taxpayers in at least 4 out of
any 5 seasons (starting in 2011-12) increase by $1 at
each increment (e.g., for team salary $5M-$10M above
the Tax level, the Tax rate for a repeat taxpayer is $2.75-
for-$1 instead of $1.75-for-$1).
The Raps could put in a bid to get an amnestied player: say pick up 60% of contract, waiving team would pay remaining 40%.
A modified waiver process would be utilized for players waived pursuant
to the Amnesty rule, under which teams with Room under the Cap could
submit competing offers to assume some but not all of the player’s
remaining contract. If a player’s contract is claimed in this manner, the
remaining portion of the player’s salary will continue to be paid by the
team that waived him.Last edited by mcHAPPY; Sun Nov 13, 2011, 09:17 PM.
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@daldridgetnt: "Awaiting @TheNBPA meeting in NYC this morning. Ran into player on the way. He said he still hadn't heard from his team's player rep. ***."
Maybe they *should* decertify, because this union is NOT currently serving them very well.Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.
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jimmie wrote: View Postps-- Anyone know why the acronym for "shaking my head" gets censored on here???
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Larry Coon raises a good point:
LarryCoon ...we'll reset our proposal to 57%, file a decertification petition, kill the season, and see you in court." Who do you think blinks? 5 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
LarryCoon On league's "no tweaks" stance -- it's equally valid for players to say "This is OUR take-it-or-leave-it. Anything other than a 'yes' and
I think the owners should look at any proposed changes and ask themselves, "Is it worth a season?"
If so, fine.
But I can't see anything worth that.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostLarry Coon raises a good point:
I think the owners should look at any proposed changes and ask themselves, "Is it worth a season?"
If so, fine.
But I can't see anything worth that.
The players are really calculating whether they want to miss another cheque.
Did anyone follow that NBA Twitter dog&pony show. It's ridiculous that the complexities of a 4.5 billion dollar business disagreement are being discussed and information on its details disseminated in a social media forum restricting one to 140 words and is best used either for gossip or surreptitious comment by anon users trying to foment a revolution. And the process was like shooting fish in a barrel by Stern and his steno.
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Bendit wrote: View PostThis is becoming like a house sale offer process.
Of course the Threat of Decertification is posturing.
But when you're up against the entity that is The NBA, you must utililize all cards in the deck.
But as Larry Coon points out, if the players wanted to play the same game that the NBA is currently playing, this process would be a LOT uglier.
And I also, was wholey disheartened by the amount of 'Twitter' present within the Negotiations.
Its ridiculous.
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Bendit wrote: View PostThis is becoming like a house sale offer process. imo the decertification threat is posturing to squeeze the most. There is a about a 45 day wait before actual decertification occurs.
The players are really calculating whether they want to miss another cheque.
Did anyone follow that NBA Twitter dog&pony show. It's ridiculous that the complexities of a 4.5 billion dollar business disagreement are being discussed and information on its details disseminated in a social media forum restricting one to 140 words and is best used either for gossip or surreptitious comment by anon users trying to foment a revolution. And the process was like shooting fish in a barrel by Stern and his steno.
The TwitterView was good intentioned I think but it did not have the desired effects. I found the media who covered it to be like the characters in the movie "Mean Girls". Wallace at ESPN sent out a tweet with something to the effect of I can't believe the comments from media covering this, this is not our fight.
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Bendit wrote: View PostThis is becoming like a house sale offer process. imo the decertification threat is posturing to squeeze the most. There is a about a 45 day wait before actual decertification occurs.
The players are really calculating whether they want to miss another cheque.
Given how much strongly the league is pushing this and unwilling to bend, I think they feel the players accusation (negotiating in bad faith) will not hold given the compromises they have made and the union's very public 'blood issue' proclamations.
The players should put out a counter proposal but be willing to accept deal as is if rejected ..... in my opinion.
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joey_hesketh wrote: View PostSoo kinda like .. Negotiating? Indeed. haha
Of course the Threat of Decertification is posturing.
But when you're up against the entity that is The NBA, you must utililize all cards in the deck.
But as Larry Coon points out, if the players wanted to play the same game that the NBA is currently playing, this process would be a LOT uglier.
And I also, was wholey disheartened by the amount of 'Twitter' present within the Negotiations.
Its ridiculous.
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Stern doesn't have Owners' support on current offer?
There’s a growing belief that Stern doesn’t have the ownership support to pass the very proposal he’s been pushing all weekend, and that owners would ultimately kill this deal with the list of non-negotiable B-list issues the players would oppose. This way, the league can say it worked hard to cut a fairer deal with players, but in the end, the owners will get the draconian ‘reset’ proposal that many of them have wanted all along.
“A lot of teams – more all the time – don’t like the deal on the table,” one high-ranking league official said.
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Stern's memo directly to the players:
"MEMO TO: NBA PLAYERS", NBA.com
The Owners feel that the Players weren't being fed accurate information. This memo was their effort to right that wrong.
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Nuclear option
National Basketball Players Association executive director Billy Hunter said Monday the union has decided to end the collective bargaining process with the NBA and will soon file an antitrust lawsuit against the league.The union chose to reject the deal, and Hunter said he has issued a disclaimer of interest that will dissolve the union.
Prior to Monday's NBPA meeting, the union was expected to reject owners' offer and issue a counterproposal.
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Apollo wrote: View Post"MEMO TO: NBA PLAYERS", NBA.com
The Owners feel that the Players weren't being fed accurate information. This memo was their effort to right that wrong.
Stern does manage to come off as reasonable and of sound mind in the Memo; just seems to have grown tired of the bickering.
Just trying to figure out if Stern is trying to save face with the players, now that the owners aren't all on board.
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