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  • If we don't draft KI, JB has be are starting PG next season!

    @Chr1st1anL

  • #2
    I didn't read all that, but yes.
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    • #3
      I really don't think we take a chance on another PG in draft unless his name is Kyrie Irving. Even though I like the idea of Brandon Knight as are pick if fall to 5th. JB needs is shot in this league he was a lottery pick for a reason.
      @Chr1st1anL

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      • #4
        ceez wrote: View Post
        I didn't read all that, but yes.
        Haha yes very long but good summary. I agree he should be given every opportunity. True if we don't draft Irving then job should be Bayless' to learn or lose. He is more fitting to grow with the team than Caldy who is not a long term solution regardless.

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        • #5
          I think we should draft Williams before Irving anyday because the potential gap is small and bayless has ridiculous potential.

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          • #6
            dballa21 wrote: View Post
            I think we should draft Williams before Irving anyday because the potential gap is small and bayless has ridiculous potential.
            I don't know about that. That's what The Atlanta Hawks said about Marvin Williams over Chris Paul. Look how that turned out.
            @Chr1st1anL

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            • #7
              Marvin Williams never started a game. Derrick Williams is the most explosive and nba-ready player in the draft.

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              • #8
                I totally agree with you. If the Raptors can draft Kyrie, then take him. If not, make Bayless our starting point guard and let Calderon run the 2nd unit. It would be a perfect fit.

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                • #9
                  Jerryd Bayless has a huge upside if given minutes. I'm tired of all the people saying him being a short-first PG won't work. Last time I check the top two PG(This year) were shot-first PG(Rose and Westbrook).
                  @Chr1st1anL

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                  • #10
                    There is not excuse not to start him next year unless there is an Irving on the team. His decision making can't be any worse than Westbrook(lead the league in turnovers 3.8)
                    @Chr1st1anL

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                    • #11
                      I agree. I'm a big supporter of Bayless. I think if you give him an off season to train and play with his teammates he will be able to grow. it was also unfair to pair him up with Barbosa because you're pretty much guaranteed to never touch the ball and try and distribute.

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                      • #12
                        I still like the way Jose runs the team, he does a better job getting guys the ball where they need it. If we are looking to establish DeMar or Bargnani (if he is still here) early in the game, Jose needs to be the starter. Having Jose start and play significant minutes early in the season could help his trade value around the league, especially if Toronto gets off to a decent start. I am not opposed t Bayless working his way into the starting lineup, but he has not really shown that much to warrant the position being his to loose. I also guarantee that even if Bayless is the starter it wont be him on the floor closing out games.
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                        • #13
                          WJF wrote: View Post
                          I still like the way Jose runs the team, he does a better job getting guys the ball where they need it. If we are looking to establish DeMar or Bargnani (if he is still here) early in the game, Jose needs to be the starter. Having Jose start and play significant minutes early in the season could help his trade value around the league, especially if Toronto gets off to a decent start. I am not opposed t Bayless working his way into the starting lineup, but he has not really shown that much to warrant the position being his to loose. I also guarantee that even if Bayless is the starter it wont be him on the floor closing out games.
                          If were really serious about getting better at defense Bayless will start and get the majority of the minutes. When Bayless started DeMar never had a problem scoring. Getting the person the ball where they like it comes with chemistry and growth together. Calderon has the edge cause his played with DeRozan 2years and Bargnani 5years. Plus DeRozan should come back more improved and should be able create for himself more easily. Calderon would look better playing with the bench since his pass first.
                          @Chr1st1anL

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                          • #14
                            There is a huge difference on how a player plays at eh end of a season in meaningless games and how they play and effect the game early in a season when games still matter. If we go back to just our most recent example of Sonny Weems we will see that the hype machine comes with a 30 day or 30 minute what ever comes first warranty. Many, not all, but many fans thought Weems was going to blow up and play a big role with Toronto this past season.....how did that work out?

                            Bayless has the tools to be a solid contributor, but he has many question marks that still need to be answered. For people to just anoint him as a starter is shortsighted. At the end of the day you want wins, yes player development and long term improvement must be taken into account as well, but it is important for Toronto to get off to a good start next season, and in my opinion, Jose needs to be the starter to get that done. Bayless could turn into our next Alvin Williams, or he could be our next Jarett Jack.

                            When Boogie arrived he was not a starter, but played well off the bench and accepted his role, when needed he stepped in a started ball games gaining valuable experience. He was a true professional and in 2000/01 season the team was his and he played like a warrior.

                            Jack came in with a little bit of an inflated sense of self and could not handle the times when he had to come off the bench, he was a distraction to the team and the team never looked like a cohesive unity when he was running the team. He had the tools needed to be successful, but he did not put the team first.

                            Bayless struggled off the bench, it could be that he was still adjusting, or it could be that he feels he should be starting and can't accept a role the team has laid out for him. If it was just adjustment to a new team that kept him from playing well off the bench he will show that early next season and push Jose out the door or to the bench with his play. If he continues to struggle off the bench it shows me something about his mentality that puts up a red flag.
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                            • #15
                              WJF wrote: View Post
                              There is a huge difference on how a player plays at eh end of a season in meaningless games and how they play and effect the game early in a season when games still matter. If we go back to just our most recent example of Sonny Weems we will see that the hype machine comes with a 30 day or 30 minute what ever comes first warranty. Many, not all, but many fans thought Weems was going to blow up and play a big role with Toronto this past season.....how did that work out?

                              Bayless has the tools to be a solid contributor, but he has many question marks that still need to be answered. For people to just anoint him as a starter is shortsighted. At the end of the day you want wins, yes player development and long term improvement must be taken into account as well, but it is important for Toronto to get off to a good start next season, and in my opinion, Jose needs to be the starter to get that done. Bayless could turn into our next Alvin Williams, or he could be our next Jarett Jack.

                              When Boogie arrived he was not a starter, but played well off the bench and accepted his role, when needed he stepped in a started ball games gaining valuable experience. He was a true professional and in 2000/01 season the team was his and he played like a warrior.

                              Jack came in with a little bit of an inflated sense of self and could not handle the times when he had to come off the bench, he was a distraction to the team and the team never looked like a cohesive unity when he was running the team. He had the tools needed to be successful, but he did not put the team first.

                              Bayless struggled off the bench, it could be that he was still adjusting, or it could be that he feels he should be starting and can't accept a role the team has laid out for him. If it was just adjustment to a new team that kept him from playing well off the bench he will show that early next season and push Jose out the door or to the bench with his play. If he continues to struggle off the bench it shows me something about his mentality that puts up a red flag.
                              Bayless has already proven that he should start over Jose. The only perceived advantage Jose brings over Bayless is better court vision but really comparing assists as starters there isn't much of a difference. Jose seems to have lost confidence in his shot and is passing up a lot of open looks just to dump it off to someone who's covered.
                              As far as dismissing what Bayless did during the last eight "meaningless" games I look at it differently. It was his opportunity to shine and he took advantage of it as his line of 22.5 pts, 48 percent shooting and 41 percent for 3 points attests to. Who else on the team stepped up and played like those games meant something? It's not easy to get up for "meaningless" games and the fact that Bayless did means something to me.
                              When Bayless gets as many starts as Jose has had I doubt if the comparison will even be close.

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