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Chad Ford Mock Draft 1.0: Raptors select Enes Kanter (Enes v Jonas starts post #139)

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  • Quixotic
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    Raptorsss wrote: View Post
    Just a note on rebounding, I want a good rebounding center like everyone else, but more possessions don't necessarily garner more wins.

    If I'm not mistaken the best rebounding team last year was Minnesota, how did that turn out for them?
    Unless anyone here is arguing that rebounding is the only thing that matters, that's a bit of a moot point. The Wolves were the 2nd best team on the offensive boards (and not because they also missed a lot of shots), but they were lacking in almost every other way (made shots, opponent's made shots, etc.).

    More possessions doesn't necessarily garner more wins. More made shots doesn't necessarily garner more wins. More opponent missed shots doesn't necessarily garner more wins. I'm not sure what your point is really when there's not one thing that necessarily means more wins.

    But if you look at the top 15 teams in defensive rebounding rate and compare them to the bottom 15 teams in the same, you'll notice that 11 of the 16 playoff teams are in the top 15. It should be pretty clear that preventing your opponent from getting offensive boards (and thus, easy points) has a pretty big effect on keeping your opponent from scoring, which also has a pretty big effect on winning.

    Oh, and in case you were wondering, 11 of the 16 playoff teams were also in the top 15 in offensive rebounding rate as well.

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  • Employee
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    Raptorsss wrote: View Post
    Just a note on rebounding, I want a good rebounding center like everyone else, but more possessions don't necessarily garner more wins.

    If I'm not mistaken the best rebounding team last year was Minnesota, how did that turn out for them?
    They also missed the most shots so that stat is kinda skewed.

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  • Raptorsss
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    Just a note on rebounding, I want a good rebounding center like everyone else, but more possessions don't necessarily garner more wins.

    If I'm not mistaken the best rebounding team last year was Minnesota, how did that turn out for them?

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  • Delonte_West
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    i think Leonard is exactly what the raps need when it comes to defence, rebounding, scoring, and toughness at the wing. I am not sure if i would take kanter or even irving given the choice. all depends on where we fall in the lottery. Leonard is the best player that is being overlooked

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  • Chr1s1anL
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    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?...aft&id=6555985

    I got love for Enes Kanter too though. Read up on this article and watch the video to know the full story about the mysterious Big Man from Turkey.
    Last edited by Chr1s1anL; Tue May 17, 2011, 02:27 AM.

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  • Chr1s1anL
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    Game from yesterday in the Lithuanian League Playoffs

    JUST SKIP TOO 1:00 mark!

    Other than the nasty dunk you see him always fighting down low for position on the offensive class. The kid has a motor and a nose for the ball(Just like ED). You put Ed Davis and Jonas V. in the front court you get extra possessions and great rim protecting. The team with the most possession usually win the the game. I know what your saying that's too skinny of a front court. That's why you sign a veteran center with girth at chip price(Jamal Magloire, Jason Collins, Kwame Brown, Narz Mohamed, Ryan Hollins, Dan Gadzuric all free agents serve able and chip). I really don't care if we can get scoring from the Center position but, a defense and rebounding presence are more important out of that Center position. That's why favor Jonas he has more of a defensive upside than Enes but, this has the upside to be a offensive threat.
    Last edited by Chr1s1anL; Tue May 17, 2011, 01:49 AM.

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  • Tim W.
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    Raptors_ wrote: View Post
    I did the espn nba draft lottery thingy and when the raptors win the #1 pick it always shows us choosing D Will. well anyway here is the link: http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2011/mockdraft

    Try for your selves
    It's not random. The way it works is that Ford has predicted how every team will pick no matter where they pick. You think the Raptors would change who they pick depending on who picks after them?

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  • Tim W.
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    joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Great point Tim. Why should I bother reading about how good he is, and how athletic and 'above the rim' he is, when I already know he's from Turkey. Which is actually half-Europe and half-Asia.
    And, I mean, we all know what they say about Asian Basketball players, right?... "they're not even as good as Europeans." or something like that anyway... DRAFT JIMMER! HE'S MORMOM!


    ADD Ahem, sorry. Someone stole my keyboard.
    That's true! Turkey is the gateway to Asia, and all Asian big men get injured all the time. That seals it.

    Of, and you can't draft Jimmer because Shawn Bradley was also a Mormon and he was a disappointment.

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  • Raptors_
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    joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Which wouldn't be a bad thing. I don't think.
    DWill has a chance to be a very solid swingman, and that is a hole we need to fill. Perhaps not as glaring as our need for a Big man, but you take the Best Player available. Some feel that is DWill.

    If he hadn't shown off his new found Jumpshot in the NCAA tournament, then I might be a bit more leary of picking him.

    If we get the #1 pick, then I would NOT want to be Bryan Colangelo. That is going to be a VERY tough decision to make.
    ...Or a very easy one.

    ADD I got UTAH with the #1 pick, four times in a row, using that Lottery simulator.
    we need to grab D Will and just tear it up in the playoffs.

    Bayless*
    Derozan
    D Will*
    Amir/Ed
    Amir/Ed/Trade

    *= Arizona

    Now that is an explosive starting 5. With that line up we might need to stock up on some extra rims in the ACC.

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  • Joey
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    Raptors_ wrote: View Post
    I did the espn nba draft lottery thingy and when the raptors win the #1 pick it always shows us choosing D Will. well anyway here is the link: http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2011/mockdraft

    Try for your selves
    Which wouldn't be a bad thing. I don't think.
    DWill has a chance to be a very solid swingman, and that is a hole we need to fill. Perhaps not as glaring as our need for a Big man, but you take the Best Player available. Some feel that is DWill.

    If he hadn't shown off his new found Jumpshot in the NCAA tournament, then I might be a bit more leary of picking him.

    If we get the #1 pick, then I would NOT want to be Bryan Colangelo. That is going to be a VERY tough decision to make.
    ...Or a very easy one.

    ADD I got UTAH with the #1 pick, four times in a row, using that Lottery simulator.

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  • Raptors_
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    I did the espn nba draft lottery thingy and when the raptors win the #1 pick it always shows us choosing D Will. well anyway here is the link: http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2011/mockdraft

    Try for your selves

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  • Joey
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    Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Interesting read. Ya, he's probably longer and more of an athlete than many though, but he's still European. I mean, what more do you need to know?
    Great point Tim. Why should I bother reading about how good he is, and how athletic and 'above the rim' he is, when I already know he's from Turkey. Which is actually half-Europe and half-Asia.
    And, I mean, we all know what they say about Asian Basketball players, right?... "they're not even as good as Europeans." or something like that anyway... DRAFT JIMMER! HE'S MORMOM!


    ADD Ahem, sorry. Someone stole my keyboard.

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  • Tim W.
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    Quixotic wrote: View Post
    Not that I think Chad Ford is an excellent scout, but as there's so little information about Kanter, it's interesting to hear what people have to say:
    Interesting read. Ya, he's probably longer and more of an athlete than many though, but he's still European. I mean, what more do you need to know?

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  • Quixotic
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    Not that I think Chad Ford is an excellent scout, but as there's so little information about Kanter, it's interesting to hear what people have to say:

    While legitimate questions remain about the loss of two critical years of game development, Kanter possesses virtually all the qualities NBA teams are looking for in bigs, especially for a kid who is one of the youngest players in this year's draft.

    He's big (he measured a shade below 6-foot-11 in shoes with a 7-1 wingspan at the Hoop Summit), has a NBA body, and uses his strength around the basket. He has a relentless motor on the boards and has excellent footwork for an 18-year-old big man. He's also gotten in terrific shape in Chicago and appears much more explosive than we thought last year. At the Hoop Summit, Kanter was nursing a back injury and could barely get off the floor. In workouts here at ATTACK, Kanter showed he had no problem playing over the rim. While he's no Blake Griffin, he's not a stiff either.

    Kanter also showed the ability to step out and hit everything from 18-foot jumpers to NBA 3s. While I don't think his primary role will be to stretch the defense in the NBA, he has the ability.

    [...]

    While I initially believed that Kanter's year off would hurt his draft stock, I'm not longer concerned after talking with a number of NBA execs. Virtually every team I spoke with has him as a top-five prospect on their board. A few told me they believe, had he played at Kentucky this year, he may have been the favorite to go No. 1 overall.

    He still might have a chance to go No. 1 overall if the Washington Wizards get the No. 1 pick. While we currently have them taking Derrick Williams No. 1 in our Mock Draft Lottery, a well-placed source said Kanter would be in the conversation. The Detroit Pistons and the Golden State Warriors also have needs that could place Kanter in the mix. But after Kyrie Irving and Williams are off the table, I'm not sure there's a player with more upside in this Draft.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?...aft&id=6555985
    Last edited by Quixotic; Mon May 16, 2011, 06:19 PM.

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  • Joey
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    For anyone who feels like Kanter did something 'wrong' or 'shameful' to deserve being kicked out of the NCAA, have a listen to John Calipari's summary of the situation, "He accepted money from NO ONE except for his DAD."

    Last edited by Joey; Sat May 14, 2011, 06:36 PM.

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