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  • jeff_hostetler
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    Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    Thank you. Making a case for Bayless isn't much different than making one for Jarrett Jack, except that Bayless is younger and holds more "promise".
    I somewhat disagree. While their stats may show they are similarly effective, Bayless and Jack are at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to attitude, toughness, perseverance and leadership. Bayless plays with fire at all times, and turns it on when things go downhill. Jack checks out when things get tough and visibly sulks.

    And I know you said, "except that Bayless is younger and holds more 'promise,'" but I think that part is worth repeating. Bayless is a good 5 years younger than Jack. That is significantly younger. Bayless at 22 is still developing and has years to go before his prime. Jack at 27 has likely already peaked. Seems to me that's a pretty good argument in favour of sticking with Bayless, if indeed they are at this point comparable.
    Last edited by jeff_hostetler; Thu May 12, 2011, 09:36 AM.

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  • Arsenalist
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    WJF wrote: View Post
    Bayless is nowhere near a good enough player that you pass on the best player available. I am not saying I would take Kemba, I am questioning your logic. BAyless put together a string of games at the end of a crappy season, on a bad team, going against teams resting starters. He did show some promise, but there are still many, many, many questions about his future ability to run a team full time at a high level.
    Thank you. Making a case for Bayless isn't much different than making one for Jarrett Jack, except that Bayless is younger and holds more "promise".

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  • jeff_hostetler
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    Definitely they are. Their games are extremely similar: they get their points and their assists through relentlessly attacking the hoop. Both are very quick, scoring-oriented players. They are both very tough and spend good chunks of time at the off-guard. Both are also extremely competitive, which would make it difficult for them to play back-up to one another. They are both pretty good rebounders for their position.

    Their biggest divergence: size and clutch. Bayless has the first, Walker has the second. I think before anyone can really make up their minds about Walker, they have to know how he measures at the combine (I'm talking height). If he's 6', then all questions about his lack of height should be thrown out. It's plenty tall enough given his skill and toughness. If however he's closer to 5'10", then it starts to be a real concern. I'm not sure he's getting open the way he did at UCONN against bigger NBA guards, and scoring at the rim the way he did at UCONN against much bigger NBA centers and forwards, if he is indeed that short. Too many of his shots were closely-contested fadeaways for my liking. Yes they went in, but that's why we're even talking about him. If he misses those shots or if they're blocked/tipped, forget about it.

    For Bayless, not much new to say really. I liked what I saw when he was allowed to play his game (as opposed to trying to play more as a "pure" PG like he did for the mid-season off the bench. That he did though try to do so is encouraging to me as it shows his willingness to learn and adapt. Lots of players refuse to change). His assist numbers are actually pretty good, especially given the lack of shooters Toronto had last season (a SF who can hit the spot up 3 would have without question upped his assist total, as it would any PG's). Regardless, as a starter - that is, playing 35 minutes a game - he averaged 6.7 assists, which is good for 14th in the league. Give him that extra wing shooter and he's a candidate for top 10 (the tenth spot is occupied by D.Rose, who gets just one more assist per game than Bayless at 7.7/game). It's his defence that is the biggest concern, and he absolutely has to improve there if he wants to be a legit starter (Opp. PER of 19).

    Given the two, my preference is to stick with Bayless. I like Walker for sure, and no matter where he ends up I'll definitely be paying close attention, but I'm not convinced at all he gives you that much - if any - of an upgrade.

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  • Apollo
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    Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    Draftexpress has us picking Kemba Walker 3rd overall. Are him and JB redundant? If so should we pass on him even if his the best available talent?
    This is an interesting question that no one has asked already. My answer would be that every good team needs two good PGs. I'm not sure Bayless is good enough to start. I think Walker has more upside.

    I agree with WJF when he says Bayless showed some promise at the end of the season in a string of games but he was up and down all year for the most part. You can't enter a game with confidence when you don't know if your PG is going to show up or not.

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  • WJF
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    Bayless is nowhere near a good enough player that you pass on the best player available. I am not saying I would take Kemba, I am questioning your logic. BAyless put together a string of games at the end of a crappy season, on a bad team, going against teams resting starters. He did show some promise, but there are still many, many, many questions about his future ability to run a team full time at a high level.

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  • Chr1s1anL
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    Are Kemba Walker and Jerryd Bayless redundant?


    Draftexpress has us picking Kemba Walker 3rd overall. Are him and JB redundant? If so should we pass on him even if his the best available talent?
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