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  • bobbybutler wrote: View Post
    He's had games like that this year but not in March. If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it...





    Same was said about Kanter.
    Am I missing something on what is essentially a double post?

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    • Matt52 wrote: View Post
      Am I missing something on what is essentially a double post?
      You should have followed the 'everything Bargnani thread', it's basically a constant repitition of about three different posts.

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      • Matt52 wrote: View Post
        Am I missing something on what is essentially a double post?
        Think he probably meant to Edit the post, as there are slight differences, but instead somehow re-posted.

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        • Soft Euro wrote: View Post
          You should have followed the 'everything Bargnani thread', it's basically a constant repitition of about three different posts.
          Ha - fair enough.

          I'm trying to figure out if he is taking a shot at Kanter and Barnes or supporting them.

          The comment about same as Kanter is true - those things that myself and Chr1st1an wrote about Barnes were applicable to Kanter last year. Will it be the same with Barnes? Who knows. Many said if Kanter had played he would have been the #1 pick last year - again who knows.

          I was actually hoping the Raptors drafted Kanter last year.

          I actually think he has done very well this year in his limited opportunities. This brings me back to my confusion regarding bobbyb's comment: what was the context?

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          • Count Myck out

            http://espn.go.com/colleges/texas/basketball/story/_/id/7738287/freshman-guard-myck-kabongo-return-texas-longhorns

            He's staying back for a year. Can't blame him with how poor of a season he had

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            • bobbybutler wrote: View Post
              Draftniks are fickle. Mock drafts are just Power Rankings. Players rise and fall because of 1 or 2 games. Always a new flavour of the month. Casual fans become "experts" in March. Hype machine gets started. The silly season has begun.
              You make a good point, but I wouldn't discount the importance of performance (not just stats) in games at this time of year. Young players (especially freshmen) are more accurately assessed now than at the beginning of the year. The higher level of competition is also an important way to measure players against each other. I would add that the subsequent combines and workouts can sometime distort the true picture of a player, as scouts and GMs seem to get enamoured with "freakish wingspan", etc. and forget how the player plays the game (hello Austin Daye and Al-Farouq Aminu).

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              • Chad Ford latest Hot or Not Espn Insiders

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                Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, F, Kentucky

                After struggling with a 1-for-4 performance against Iowa State last weekend, and after reacting angrily to my report that he would declare for the draft after Kentucky's season ended -- MKG delivered two of his best games of the season for Kentucky versus Indiana and Baylor.

                Kidd-Gilchrist was relentless taking the ball to the rim and doing what he does best -- finishing on the break and in traffic. If there was ever any question about who the second best talent is in the draft, after this weekend I think Kidd-Gilchrist put it to rest. Yes, he needs to continue to work on that jumper and creating his own offense. But his non-stop motor, toughness and ability to get the basket make him the clear cut No. 2 player in the draft. He's a warrior.


                Bradley Beal, SG, Florida

                Beal came into the season ranked No. 5 on our Big Board and after a rocky start to the season, he came on as Florida's best player in the tournament. He had one of his best games of the year against Marquette, scoring 21 points, shooting 8-for-10 from the field, grabbing six boards, handing out four assists and getting two blocks and two steals. He showed off that all-around game that has some scouts comparing him to Eric Gordon with a higher ceiling. Florida lost a heartbreaker versus Louisville in the Elite Eight, but Beal played well there, too. If he declares, he remains a virtual lock for the Top 5. We've moved him up to No. 3 overall on our Big Board.

                Thomas Robinson, PF, Kansas

                KU's big man was never supposed to be in this situation. A two-year rotation player at Kansas, Robinson wasn't the sort of blue-chip recruit that a coach rides to the Final Four as a junior. Robinson has continued to adjust to that role all year. This weekend he showed his shoulders are wide enough to carry this team. Facing length and constant double-teams, Robinson fought through everything to put up two very big games for the Jayhawks to lead them to the Final Four. Teams understand his weaknesses -- he's a bit undersized and can fall in love with his perimeter game -- but the toughness and heart he's shown all year, combined with an NBA body and elite athleticism, will translate at the next level.

                Cody Zeller, C, Indiana

                All year we've had Zeller ranked 10 to 15 spots higher than just about everywhere else. On Friday versus Kentucky, Zeller showed why. Some have questioned his ability to do his thing against players with NBA length. But on Saturday, against Anthony Davis (whom many scouts predict will win many Defensive Player of the Year awards in the NBA) and Terrence Jones, he showed that he can score over length -- ending the game with 20 points and 7 rebounds. It's doubtful that Zeller will declare this year for the draft. However, if he does, he'll go very high. He's been in our Top 10 since late December, but as of mid-March he now sits at No. 6 on our Big Board.

                James Michael McAdoo, F, North Carolina

                As we told you last week, NBA scouts and GMs are willing to draft McAdoo in the lottery based purely on upside. What he's been missing is a signature breakout game. He got close to that in North Carolina's loss to Kansas on Sunday. McAdoo led all Tar Heels scorers with 15 points in just 19 minutes of play. He had two terrific midcourt steals that led to fast-break dunks and was active around the rim all night. A small handful of games isn't much to base a scouting report on, but given how much some of the other top prospects have struggled, it's not implausible that McAdoo ends up sneaking ahead of players like Perry Jones III and even teammate Harrison Barnes.

                Jared Sullinger, F, Ohio State

                Sullinger isn't for everyone. He's a bit undersized for his position and lacks Thomas Robinson's motor or athleticism. But he's more skilled than Robinson and had a much better weekend for the Buckeyes. Sullinger had 23 and 11 against Cincinnati and followed it up with 19 and 7 versus Syracuse to lead the Buckeyes to the Final Four. Sullinger's below-the-rim game won't impress everyone, but he's productive and is a load in the paint. Remember, some scouts felt a player like Anthony Randolph, because of his athletic profile, would have a better career than Kevin Love for many of the same reasons that scouts are down on Sullinger. We all know how that's turning out.


                AP Photo/John Bazemore
                Long an enigma, Terrence Jones has added some clarity to his draft position.
                Terrence Jones, F, Kentucky

                Jones has the talent of a Top 5 pick. The problem is he doesn't always play like it. Over the past few weeks, however, Jones seems as dialed in as everyone else on the Wildcats and when you stand back and look at the talent -- wow. Jones is so versatile, can do so many things on the floor and has a terrific athletic profile. He did just about everything for Kentucky in its big win over Baylor, rebounding, dishing out assists, blocking shots and scoring when he needed to. Two more games like this and an NCAA championship and Jones may have worked himself back into the Top 10. With players like Perry Jones and Barnes struggling, he's another player, along with McAdoo, that NBA GMs may be more willing to go ahead and take a risk on now.

                Kendall Marshall, PG, North Carolina

                Marshall didn't play one minute this weekend and his draft stock still took another major jump. Why? Because without him orchestrating things from the point, North Carolina's other six high school All-Americans struggled to get any semblance of an offense going. Marshall's unselfishness can sometimes get lost when he's on the court. But when you saw players like Barnes and John Henson try to create without him, they looked very ordinary. It's not inconceivable that if Marshall declares and his broken wrist is healed, he could be the first or second point guard off the board and go somewhere in the 9-to-14 range.

                Honorable mention: Tyler Zeller, C, North Carolina; Deshaun Thomas, F, Ohio State; Chane Behanan, F, Louisville; C.J. Fair, F, Syracuse; Quincy Acy, F, Baylor; Aaron Craft, PG, Ohio State; Reggie Bullock, G/F, North Carolina; Gorgui Dieng, C, Louisville

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                Harrison Barnes, F, UNC

                At this stage in the game, it's pretty hard for a top prospect to really do much damage to his stock. These are high-pressure games and no NBA scout is going to base an overall performance evaluation on one or two contests. With that said, Barnes' struggles this weekend without Marshall on the floor were alarming. He struggled to create any offense for himself, was often left taking off-balance jump shots and, with the exception of a hot streak toward the end of the first half versus Kansas, didn't look anything like the special player we all believed he could become. Barnes ended up going 8-for-30 from the field and, for the most part, it looked worse than the box score suggests. We've known for a while that Barnes struggles as a ball handler and can be one-dimensional, but without Marshall setting him up in the spots he wants to get to, he just isn't able to do too much.

                With all of that said, a number of GMs still believe he can be a very effective weapon at the NBA level. His size and shooting ability for his position are good. Put him on the right team, with the right point guard, and don't ask him to be a superstar, and Barnes could still have a very effective NBA career. I don't think he's a franchise-changer, but if he continues to develop, Danny Granger or Luol Deng might be his upside. If he doesn't live up to his potential? Maybe he is the second coming of Martell Webster.
                @Chr1st1anL

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                • Bouncepass wrote: View Post
                  I would add that the subsequent combines and workouts can sometime distort the true picture of a player, as scouts and GMs seem to get enamoured with "freakish wingspan", etc. and forget how the player plays the game (hello Austin Daye and Al-Farouq Aminu).
                  It's for this exact reason that I think Drummond will move up in the eyes of GMs once workouts begin. Athletically and physically, he is an ideal NBA player. Combine that with the potential for a very high ceiling skill wise, I think it will be enough to entice someone to reach for him higher then is currently expected. These are the exact reasons he started the season ranked so high (#2 with most sites). Once game action started, his stock began to fade. Through workouts and the combine, he could look more like the dream player that people hope he could become.

                  This is not me advocating that the Raptors take Drummond at all, but rather my wishful thinking that he moves high on someone else's draft board so that our odds of grabbing Kidd-Gilchrist improves.
                  http://twitter.com/m_shantz

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                  • Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
                    With all of that said, a number of GMs still believe he can be a very effective weapon at the NBA level. His size and shooting ability for his position are good. Put him on the right team, with the right point guard, and don't ask him to be a superstar, and Barnes could still have a very effective NBA career. I don't think he's a franchise-changer, but if he continues to develop, Danny Granger or Luol Deng might be his upside. If he doesn't live up to his potential? Maybe he is the second coming of Martell Webster.
                    This last part makes him seem like a pretty good fit. I think he could be a good system defender. Won't bring what JJ does but will be way better on O. At 6-7 spot HB is a steal!
                    @Chr1st1anL

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                    • Myck Kabongo Returning To College

                      http://espn.go.com/colleges/texas/ba...exas-longhorns



                      Good decision by him i think he needs another year befor he comes out.

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                      • woo

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                        • Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.
                          Twitter: @ReubenJRD • NBA, Raptors writer for Daily Hive Vancouver, Toronto.

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                          • RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
                            Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.
                            Yea baby. MKG all day

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                            • NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
                              Yea baby. MKG all day
                              He is no KD 2.0.

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                              • NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
                                Yea baby. MKG all day
                                Anthony Davis off the board? Bryco, you know what to do.

                                Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is the best player in the Nation other than Davis.
                                Twitter: @ReubenJRD • NBA, Raptors writer for Daily Hive Vancouver, Toronto.

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