Trade one, Start one, and Second unit one

[RAPresenting]

Well, hell! Let's merge this thread to the Bargnani one and get a move on. Bargnani ain't going to trade himself!

Actually laughed out loud! +1

[Soft Euro]

I still can't understand wanting to give away a 22 point a night scorer; more if we have muscle to protect him. I lnow his help defence sucks and his rebounding needs improvement. I truly believe this is the first coach we have that will make him accountable (at least that's my take). If his effort at least increases, he can get a couple of extra rebounds, giving him roughly Dirk's stats (now don't go getting angry, I'm not saying he's Dirk...). He can be a valuable piece moving forward and is a known commodity. We saw Ed for maybe half a season. Remember, he balked at his treatrment in the D-League (i.e. hotels, TV, etc.) so I'm not totally sure he will want to stay here. Maybe I'm mis-judging him, but it's too early to say!

I'm not at all anti-Bargnani, but ehm, "giving him roughly Dirk's stats"? Dirk has a career rebound average of 8,4 (and 10,4 in the playoffs). Dirks has had 5 9+ seasons. For Bargnani to get Dirk's rebounding stats we'd have to clear the court of every other player and make him shoot long two's.

[WhatWhat]

Man it would be very, very hard to continue watching this team if we chose Bargnani over Davis or Amir.

[Halifax Raps Fan]

Amir is solid and is improving his foul-pronesness (is that a word???). He ROCKS and should stay!

[Halifax Raps Fan]

I still can't understand wanting to give away a 22 point a night scorer; more if we have muscle to protect him. I lnow his help defence sucks and his rebounding needs improvement. I truly believe this is the first coach we have that will make him accountable (at least that's my take). If his effort at least increases, he can get a couple of extra rebounds, giving him roughly Dirk's stats (now don't go getting angry, I'm not saying he's Dirk...). He can be a valuable piece moving forward and is a known commodity. We saw Ed for maybe half a season. Remember, he balked at his treatrment in the D-League (i.e. hotels, TV, etc.) so I'm not totally sure he will want to stay here. Maybe I'm mis-judging him, but it's too early to say!

[Tim W.]

BC isn't trading Andrea until "Everything Bargnani" hits 5000 replies and 250,000 views.

Well, hell! Let's merge this thread to the Bargnani one and get a move on. Bargnani ain't going to trade himself!

[mcHAPPY]

I know that Amir HAD some serious question marks about being able to play without fouling but I feel like he has answered those questions last season.

He averaged 25.7 minutes and 3.7 fouls
His per36 foul rate was 5.1

Although it is possible that he will regress but if he stays the same or even fouls at a lower rate will still be tenacious (something he was able to do this year vs. last) he will be able to log starters minutes. In terms of whether Amir should start or come off the bench fouls are not a deciding factor.

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Anyway I say

First half of season
Start Amir and Bargs
Davis off the bench


Second half of season
Davis and Bargs
Amir off the bench

You don't have to trade any of the those three until AT least next year, and assuming JV will have limited minutes his first year you don't need to make a trade until the deadline 2013.

My window of trading bargs was at the end of this past season and since it looks like coangelo wants bargs around for at least another season we might as well wait it out. Let them all play together and then trade the odd man out. Which is likely to be Amir or Andrea. If bargs somehow has become the player a lot of us don't expect him to become I would be ok with dealing amir sweet sweet contract for a piece that gets us closer to a deep playoff run.

BC isn't trading Andrea until "Everything Bargnani" hits 5000 replies and 250,000 views.

[ezz_bee]

I know that Amir HAD some serious question marks about being able to play without fouling but I feel like he has answered those questions last season.

He averaged 25.7 minutes and 3.7 fouls
His per36 foul rate was 5.1

Although it is possible that he will regress but if he stays the same or even fouls at a lower rate will still be tenacious (something he was able to do this year vs. last) he will be able to log starters minutes. In terms of whether Amir should start or come off the bench fouls are not a deciding factor.

Baskeet ballz referenz DOT com

Anyway I say

First half of season
Start Amir and Bargs
Davis off the bench


Second half of season
Davis and Bargs
Amir off the bench

You don't have to trade any of the those three until AT least next year, and assuming JV will have limited minutes his first year you don't need to make a trade until the deadline 2013.

My window of trading bargs was at the end of this past season and since it looks like coangelo wants bargs around for at least another season we might as well wait it out. Let them all play together and then trade the odd man out. Which is likely to be Amir or Andrea. If bargs somehow has become the player a lot of us don't expect him to become I would be ok with dealing amir sweet sweet contract for a piece that gets us closer to a deep playoff run.

[hateslosing]

It depends on what we can get back. If they all bring back the same thing I think I would probably move Bargs because that would open up more Cap room. I believe that Davis has more value than Bargs now and if we moved him and got back a young roll player and a top ten in next years draft I might take it. I don't see Bargs bringing that kind of return.

[ceez]

*shudder*

[ebrian]

What is most ideal: Trade Bargnani, start Davis, Amir off the bench
What is probably going to happen: Trade Davis, start Bargnani, Amir off the bench

[SCass]

With JV now our center of the future, I think it has now become imperative to have a guy who can post it up and be a scoring threat in the halfcourt set. At this point, Bargnani is the only guy who seems to be capable of that. Thus, if neither of the other two have improved in that regard by mid-season, one of them has to go (simply not enough minutes for all four in the future). I don't really care who it is, but Amir seems to have less potential than Davis (albeit maybe less trade value, too) so I would probably look to deal him.

[CalgaryRapsFan]

If there's a 2011-2012 season
Start: Bargnani & Davis
Bench: TBD veteran C & Amir
Trade: none, at least to start the season

2012-2013 season
Start: Bargnani & Davis
Bench: JV & ???
Trade: Amir (his salary is attractive, can be good in short spurts, duplicates Davis' game with way less potential)

2013-2014 & beyond
Start: JV & Bargnani/Davis (dependent on development over next 2 seasons and on-court chemistry)
Bench: Bargnani/Davis & ???
Trade: none


* This is all based on the assumption that a veteran C is brought in for just a season or two, more along the lines of Dalembert, now that JV has been drafted for the long-term. If this assumption is wrong and a true starting C is brought in this offseason (ie: Chandler), then I would bump Bargnani to starting PF and Davis to the bench with Amir.

** I expect the Raps to draft a stud SF after the 2011-2012 season, then could see them drafting another PF after either the 2012-2013 or 2013-2014 season, as Bargnani will be getting close to 30 and they'll need a 4th big to bring along in the rotation.

[RAPresenting]

Play out the season and see how the 3 players develop in the new system/coaching style. The starters opening night for 11/12 if there is a season is definitely Dre and Davis no way around it. Amir is a nice player but isn't a starter in this league. Let him bring his intangibles/energy off the bench where he belongs. To play along with the thread if JV was here.

Start Dre & Davis

Bench JV

Trade Amir

[JoePanini]

Trade Bargnani.

Start Davis.

Bench Amir.