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Raptors so high on Alabi that they may not target a FA center?(OLD THREAD)

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  • mcHAPPY
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    ceez wrote: View Post
    But what about demar?!?
    I accidentally left him out. Remember concept is the main focus.

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  • ceez
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    But what about demar?!?

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Apollo wrote: View Post
    Give up a hypothetical scenario of how you want that to play out Matt. Just so we're all clear on what you're suggesting.
    I'm making up players here so don't shoot me for suggestions.... key word: hypothetical. I'm also not 100% certain numbers work in individual trades but the concept does:

    Beal is added via draft

    Raptors send Amir, Forbes, JJ to New Orleans for Okafor, Ariza (Raptors add about $11M in salary in deal).

    The Raptors pick up Alabi's option.

    Raptors are now just above the salary cap ($59M) heading in to free agency on July 1st. They are now armed with their bi-annual exception, mid-level exception, and $7.6M. Also, minimum contracts can be added regardless of cap situation. The Raptors also extend qualifying offer to Bayless ($4.1M).

    Raptors trade rights to 2 second round picks and Alabi to Denver for rights to Wilson Chandler using TPE to absorb salary.

    Raptors sign Landry Fields using $4M of MLE.

    Raptors sign Novak using bi-annual exception.

    Raptors sign Bayless to qualifing offer.

    Raptors use minimum contracts to round out rest of roster


    PG: Calderon, Bayless, Uzoh?
    SG: Beal, DeMar, Fields
    SF: Chandler, Ariza, Kleiza,
    PF: Bargnani, Ed Davis, Novak
    C: Okafor, JV, Magloire?


    Focus on concept... not the players.
    Last edited by mcHAPPY; Tue May 1, 2012, 05:50 PM. Reason: demar added.

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  • Apollo
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    Give up a hypothetical scenario of how you want that to play out Matt. Just so we're all clear on what you're suggesting.
    Last edited by Apollo; Tue May 1, 2012, 04:52 PM. Reason: .

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  • mcHAPPY
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    joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    If I am not mistaken, (and I very well could be) the new CBA added a clause that made it so teams that are under the cap couldn't acquire salaries which put them over the Cap, and still proceed to sign their own Free Agents (read: Miami signing Lebron and Bosh, which put them over the Cap; and then signing Haslem, Joel Anthony and Chalmers to contracts).

    I believe they have to sign their own FAs first, and then fill out.
    Or renounce rights (and thusly the Cap hold).

    Again, I could be way off on this though, so please correct me if you are privy.
    You are absolutely right.

    What I am saying is acquire salary via trade prior to July 1st.

    On July 1st, the 2011-12 salary cap situation becomes irrelevant. Until June 30th, the Raptors have up to $10.3M in cap space on their 2011-12 roster.

    So if the Raptors are at or over the salary cap on July 1st, they can then take full advantage of Bird Rights and exceptions. They will lose out on any big name free agent but given the Raptors history, current needs, and free agent market that might not be a bad thing (although sign and trades still are a possibility).

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  • Joey
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I hope the Raptors add salary (and talent) via a significant trade. Once this is done, the Raptors can pick up the option on Alabi (and extend qualifying offer to Bayless) without worries of cap space in free agency.
    If I am not mistaken, (and I very well could be) the new CBA added a clause that made it so teams that are under the cap couldn't acquire salaries which put them over the Cap, and still proceed to sign their own Free Agents (read: Miami signing Lebron and Bosh, which put them over the Cap; and then signing Haslem, Joel Anthony and Chalmers to contracts).

    I believe they have to sign their own FAs first, and then fill out.
    Or renounce rights (and thusly the Cap hold).

    Again, I could be way off on this though, so please correct me if you are privy.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Apollo wrote: View Post
    I agree with you in that he probably won't be back and I could see Denver scooping him up in the off-season.
    I'm not digging the prospects in free agency. Many of the top (young) targets are restricted. Many of the unrestricted are going to have lots of competition elsewhere.

    I hope the Raptors add salary (and talent) via a significant trade. Once this is done, the Raptors can pick up the option on Alabi (and extend qualifying offer to Bayless) without worries of cap space in free agency.

    If the Raptors do this, they will then have the TPE to use in another trade and a cheap player to send back.



    If it came down to Magloire vs. Alabi, I'd go Magloire.

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  • Apollo
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    I agree with you in that he probably won't be back and I could see Denver scooping him up in the off-season.

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  • CalgaryRapsFan
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    Interesting thread revisit... I like it! Could be fun to spend the next month, leading up to the May 30th draft lottery, doing a 2-3 day focus on each player at a time, covering development and future outlook.

    As for Alabi, I highly doubt that his team option will be picked up. There's no chance that Alabi would ever be the 2nd string backup C playing behind Valanciunas next season. As for 3rd string C, given our starting C will be a rookie, I would rather go with a grizzled veteran like Magloire (could be Magloire or somebobody similar, to be veteran presence in the locker room and in practice). If not a grizzled vet, I would much rather roll the dice with a 2nd round pick, even the #56 pick from Indiana, in the hopes that a new project C will develop into a better C than Alabi has.

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  • Apollo
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    May 1, 2012

    I figured it was a good time to revisit this thread. In going through the first two pages, what are your feelings now?

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Looks like HW.com were a little over enthusiastic on Alabi in regards to his possible role in Toronto this season:


    Solomon Alabi has taken some strides since last year, but remains very much a work in progress.

    Raptors head coach Dwane Casey likes the 7-foot-1 centre’s work ethic and some of the things he brings to the table, but recognizes that what Alabi needs most of all, probably can’t be provided by the club this season.

    “Really, Solo needs to play more than anything else to learn the NBA game and adjust to the speed,” Casey said after practice on Friday.

    “A summer league would have been great for him. All the workout drills don’t really help him (as much as game situations).”

    Casey admitted that the NBA Development League could be an option for Alabi this season, though such a move likely wouldn’t come anytime soon since: “right now, we need all the healthy bodies.”

    Alabi got into only 12 games as a rookie last season, scoring six points and hauling down 14 rebounds in 59 total minutes. Alabi played 22 games for Erie of the NBDL, averaging 7.2 points, 5.3 rebounds and 1.8 blocks in 18.5 minutes per game.

    “He has a nose for the ball rebounding-wise, excellent athlete and is an excellent stand-still shooter,” Casey said when asked to appraise Alabi’s strengths.

    Alabi has an influential backer in his former coach at Florida State, ex-NBA head coach Leonard Hamilton, who recruited Casey to Kentucky.

    “(Hamilton) raves about him. He’s been calling me all summer promoting him and talking about him,” Casey said.

    But with Aaron Gray, Jamaal Magloire, Amir Johnson and Andrea Bargnani available to play centre in certain situations, the minutes Alabi needs to develop simply aren’t available.
    Source: Toronto Sun

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  • enlightenment
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    JV is gonna be good. its in his demeanour.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    enlightenment wrote: View Post
    i want the stupid league to start already D':
    alabi might never get a chance to show productive work once val comes over...
    It would be great if JV is a stud right from the start but I think that would be unrealistic expectations. It is not very often I hope I am wrong.

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  • enlightenment
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    i want the stupid league to start already D':
    alabi might never get a chance to show productive work once val comes over...

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Kyler continuing the love for Alabi:

    john
    what are your thoughts of soloman alabi

    Steve Kyler
    Great guy… very humble. Hard worker.

    I spent some time with him early this summer and he looks like a different player. During Summer League play last summer he was slow and plodding and could barely get off the ground.

    This summer, a year removed from knee surgery, he has bounce. He actually is playing above the rim again and is really powerful on the block.

    I expect big thing from Solo this year. Coach Casey raved about him after their mini-camp in late June before the lockout. I talked with DeMar DeRozan about him last month and he mirrored what others were saying, that Solo looks like he can play, so we’ll have to see how it comes together.

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-rumors...-kyler-102411/

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