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  • RandomGuy
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    Maybe he had in mind experience, which JV gained during last season in Euroleague.

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  • GarbageTime
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    Bill
    After seeing the U-19 tournament and all the latest international play post draft. Who would you prefer as a prospect if you were a GM: Enes Kanter or Jonas Valancious

    Alex Kennedy
    Jonas Valanciunas and it’s not even close. I liked him more before the draft and he’s proven that he’s the real deal during this tournament. He’s excellent in the pick-and-roll, skilled offensively, athletic and has a ton of upside. I was always concerned about Enes Kanter’s time off and lack of experience. When there is only 50 minutes of game film on a player, it’s tough to fall in love with him. Now that we’ve seen him play, it’s clear that he has some potential, but he’s still very raw. His coaches have openly questioned if he’ll be able to make the transition to the NBA, which is never a positive sign. I was told by several teams prior to the draft that Valanciunas would have been picked much higher – definitely ahead of Kanter – if it weren’t for his buyout situation. Both players have upside, but I would take Valanciunas if I was a general manager.
    I'm not saying that he is wrong... but I have no idea how he says it isn't close. Their stats were almost identical with Jonas having an edge in a few areas and Enes in others (ie. Jonas a more active player, more steals blocks etc, while Enes much more under control, less fouls and turnovers). I don't see how one can say that Jonas isn't still raw aswell.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    An opinion on the subject from Alex Kennedy at HoopsWorld.com:

    Bill
    After seeing the U-19 tournament and all the latest international play post draft. Who would you prefer as a prospect if you were a GM: Enes Kanter or Jonas Valancious

    Alex Kennedy
    Jonas Valanciunas and it’s not even close. I liked him more before the draft and he’s proven that he’s the real deal during this tournament. He’s excellent in the pick-and-roll, skilled offensively, athletic and has a ton of upside. I was always concerned about Enes Kanter’s time off and lack of experience. When there is only 50 minutes of game film on a player, it’s tough to fall in love with him. Now that we’ve seen him play, it’s clear that he has some potential, but he’s still very raw. His coaches have openly questioned if he’ll be able to make the transition to the NBA, which is never a positive sign. I was told by several teams prior to the draft that Valanciunas would have been picked much higher – definitely ahead of Kanter – if it weren’t for his buyout situation. Both players have upside, but I would take Valanciunas if I was a general manager.

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  • stretch
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    If we are comparing fledgling careers then Kanter had a good start in the Eurobasket tournament while JV didn't get a chance to work up a sweat. Kanter scored a co-game high 14 points on 7-of-9 shooting and pulled down seven rebounds against Portugal. Kanter also clocked a team-high 21 minutes, 58 seconds.
    Last edited by stretch; Thu Sep 1, 2011, 09:27 AM.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Is Kanter ready for the NBA?

    http://beyondthebeat.net/articles-20...-think-so.html

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  • Fully
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    octothorp wrote: View Post
    Don't know why he would think getting a brazillian makes him a better player. Unless he's getting ready to be Reggie Evans' bitch. If so, I'm sure Reggie will appreciate the effort.
    I laughed.

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  • Tim W.
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    octothorp wrote: View Post
    Don't know why he would think getting a brazillian makes him a better player. Unless he's getting ready to be Reggie Evans' bitch. If so, I'm sure Reggie will appreciate the effort.
    Don't knock it 'til you try it.

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  • octothorp
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    albertan_10 wrote: View Post
    Kanter might have better post moves but i haven't seen him play a whole lot. He seems very smooth down there though
    Don't know why he would think getting a brazillian makes him a better player. Unless he's getting ready to be Reggie Evans' bitch. If so, I'm sure Reggie will appreciate the effort.

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  • Bouncepass
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    Jaworski wrote: View Post
    posted this in another thread: ESPN's Fran Frascilla's tweets on JV

    http://twitter.com/#!/franfraschilla

    "@nbadraftblog Agree hype is little over the top on Valanciunas. But solid for Sr.Team, so far. When Sabonis/Gasols praise, a good thing!"

    "@franfraschilla I never understood why Jazz did not take Valanciunas at #3 over Kanter? I thought contract situation worked perfectly."

    "I am not drinking Lithuanian kool-aid (has vodka in it) but would Valanciunas be No.1 if NBA Draft were today? Wonder what @lukewinn thinks?"
    I am sure that everyone is remembering that JV is only 19 years old. If he was a US prospect he would have just finished his freshman year. Big men take longer to develop physically and to develop their game. At this point, I think it is important to look at traits that will determine his longer term impact. Size and length (yes). Motor (definitely yes). Athleticism (good, if not great). Hands (very good). Shooting touch (yes, based on FT%, and Sabonis says he has a great touch around the basket). Attitude / Coachability (very good, from all accounts).

    At this point, if I were to describe his style, it would be a cross between Noah and Pau Gasol. He is a little less athletic than Noah, but has his fire and rebounding. He is less skilled than Pau, but has the same sort of knack around the basket for grabbing and converting ORs. He seems to have the attitude to fulfill whatever potential he has.

    At this point, I wouldn't describe him as having "Franchise Player" potential, because he doesn't have the physically dominating attributes of centers like Shaq, Yao, Robinson and Howard, and he hasn't shown the supreme skillset of Duncan. But I will be very surprised if he doesn't become a top-ten center, with a strong defensive and rebounding profile, and this fills a huge need for the Raptors (and most teams). So, at the very least I think he will be capable of being a Center on an elite team (without carrying the franchise). Combined with the rest of their bigs, I would say that the Raptors front line looks pretty strong going forward. Now, the Raptors will need to turn their attention to filling in other gaps, which includes an elite wing and a top-grade point guard. They have pieces and financial flexibility to get there rather quickly.

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  • Joey
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    Jaworski wrote: View Post
    "I am not drinking Lithuanian kool-aid (has vodka in it) but would Valanciunas be No.1 if NBA Draft were today? Wonder what @lukewinn thinks?"
    Interesting. I've been wondering the same thing.

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  • Jaworski
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    posted this in another thread: ESPN's Fran Frascilla's tweets on JV

    http://twitter.com/#!/franfraschilla

    "@nbadraftblog Agree hype is little over the top on Valanciunas. But solid for Sr.Team, so far. When Sabonis/Gasols praise, a good thing!"

    "@franfraschilla I never understood why Jazz did not take Valanciunas at #3 over Kanter? I thought contract situation worked perfectly."

    "I am not drinking Lithuanian kool-aid (has vodka in it) but would Valanciunas be No.1 if NBA Draft were today? Wonder what @lukewinn thinks?"

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  • WhatWhat
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    He hasn't played competitive ball in a long time... it's too early to judge him, despite how poorly he played in comparison to Jonas. I think all the time he missed stunted his defensive potential.
    Macc wrote: View Post
    "However, as good as Kanter is on the ball in the post, he’s that bad away from the ball in help situations and when trying to defend on the pick and roll." And people wanted us to draft this guy as Bargnani's replacement?
    You see, but Kanter can't shoot threes.

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  • GarbageTime
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    Just to make it clear this is not a statement about either Jonas or Kanter here. But is this from the same guy that talked about the "myth" of Andrea's D and how Jonas and Andrea could work together defensively?

    Best part was reading the comments and seeing (for those that have had 'discussions' with him before):

    Khandor : "Part of what I happen to do involves making assessments about a particular player's long term ability to succeed as a professional athlete. When I turn out to be wrong, then, I have no problem whatsoever with others holding me accountable for that inaccuracy"

    hahahahahaha

    sorry to distract from the thread.

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  • Macc
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  • Bendit
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    He also hasn't played in game competition for over a year. These were the 2 real big men available at the top of the draft so it should be really interesting to compare JV against him this summer.

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