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  • HoopsWorld.com: Toronto Raptors Trade Fix

    Clearly written by someone who knows nothing about the Raptors other than player statistics (which are misinterpreted), season standings, and word of mouth from other misinformed sources.



  • #2
    I do agree that Bargs won't be traded though. Not 'this' year anyway.
    And I also agree that Barbosa will be the first to go of the current group.

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    • #3
      This guy compares him to Dirk and says he's improved dramatically over the last three years. Has he actually watched him play?
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      • #4
        hoopsworld is a brutal site.

        i remeber brotherston at that valanciunas intro

        he asked something that was such a miniscule and unimportant detail in becoming a good player that was related to lithuanian team, I honestly wanted to hit him in the face.

        Valanciunas literally was close to saying "who the fuck cares?"

        in more professional terms he said that.


        this shit about a scapegoat is ludicrous.

        we've heard all too may times how this new coach is going to come in and at the snap of a finger make a bad defense look good.

        WTH ever happened to the Charles Oakley's of the nba that put guys in their place and we're gritty?
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        • #5
          LBF wrote: View Post
          hoopsworld is a brutal site.

          i remeber brotherston at that valanciunas intro

          he asked something that was such a miniscule and unimportant detail in becoming a good player that was related to lithuanian team, I honestly wanted to hit him in the face.

          Valanciunas literally was close to saying "who the fuck cares?"

          in more professional terms he said that.


          this shit about a scapegoat is ludicrous.

          we've heard all too may times how this new coach is going to come in and at the snap of a finger make a bad defense look good.

          WTH ever happened to the Charles Oakley's of the nba that put guys in their place and we're gritty?
          Ya, the comment about him being a scapegoat is a rather ignorant comment. If so, he's been a scapegoat for me since before he was drafted.
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          • #6
            I don't believe there's too many fans that don't like the direction the team is head. Do we wish we had a better team right now? Sure. But it's pretty clear that since Bosh departed we're headed for a rebuild. Any knowledgeable knows that this takes a few years at least, we're just in the beginning stages.

            Stories like this just brutal. Fans of other teams read this crap and then go around believing it to be true all because they "read it on HoopsWorld". Hence the bad rap we seem to get around the league.
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            • #7
              I stopped reading anything Hoopsworld a Looong time ago.

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              • #8
                it's not a very informative article, but nothing it says is especially wrong. Bargnani has improved and he has been a scapegoat, and Barbosa will probably be the first guy to be traded.

                It's sort of like writing an article about the Heat where you say "LeBron and Wade are among the best players in the game, but they have a weak supporting cast, and questions have been raised about LeBron's tendency to choke in tough playoff series." Yeah, but we knew that.

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                • #9
                  malefax wrote: View Post
                  it's not a very informative article, but nothing it says is especially wrong. Bargnani has improved and he has been a scapegoat, and Barbosa will probably be the first guy to be traded.

                  It's sort of like writing an article about the Heat where you say "LeBron and Wade are among the best players in the game, but they have a weak supporting cast, and questions have been raised about LeBron's tendency to choke in tough playoff series." Yeah, but we knew that.
                  Well, I'd disagree that he's improved and that he's a scapegoat. Bargnani's scoring has increased, but that was mostly due to more minutes and shots. And most of the rest of his game has actually regressed. And him being a scapegoat means that fans are blaming him for the team's circumstances. I haven't seen that. I just see people who have come to the realization that Bargnani's a) not going to become the player some envisioned and b) that you're going to have a tough time winning if one of your main big men is a liability half the time he's on the court.
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                  • #10
                    I do agree Barbosa should go, but not for his reasons, I like Barbosa, always have, played like me when I actually played competitive basketball, but I also agree Bargnani should stay, I would like to see Casey get through to him, and if he does, then we have a potential 1st or 2nd option in the making, if he only increases slightly better in D and better shot selection in Offensive, I would ship him for a pick and a backup swingman to spread minutes through our other core forwards, Davis, Johnson, another Johnson, Alabi, and Valanciunas.

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                    • #11
                      er1csh3n wrote: View Post
                      I do agree Barbosa should go, but not for his reasons, I like Barbosa, always have, played like me when I actually played competitive basketball, but I also agree Bargnani should stay, I would like to see Casey get through to him, and if he does, then we have a potential 1st or 2nd option in the making, if he only increases slightly better in D and better shot selection in Offensive, I would ship him for a pick and a backup swingman to spread minutes through our other core forwards, Davis, Johnson, another Johnson, Alabi, and Valanciunas.
                      If Bargnani and DeRozan are your first and second options, you're in BIG trouble.

                      And the longer you keep a Bargnani that does not improve his defense and rebounding drastically, the more difficult it will be to trade him and the more likely you'll have to take back a bad contract in return. He's still owed $45 million over the next four years.
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                      • #12
                        LBF wrote: View Post
                        hoopsworld is a brutal site.
                        Brotherston used to be on Bleacher Report. That should tell one everything they need to know about HoopsWorld.

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                        • #13
                          I think people are expecting WAAAAAAY too much of Casey in terms of his impact on Bargnani's game. Bargnani is a lazy player by nature. We have 5 years of evidence to support this. Casey's novel voice might cause a marginal knee-jerk reaction, where Bargnani goes through an initial stretch of 10-15 games where he rebounds/defends better, but it'll only be a matter of time until his true [lazy] personality resurfaces. It's naive to think one man can change another man's personality. Bargnani is what he is...a one-dimensional volume scorer. Nothing else.

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                          • #14
                            If there is anything we can call knee-jerking it's the reactions this article gets... In my opinion there certainly is some truth in it. Really, there is a lot of nonsensical stuff being said about Bargnani. While there can be said a lot about Bargnani (like duh), he did improve in some parts of his defense. Yes he really did. He isn't bad in all aspects of defense. It's been discussed thoroughly this summer (and findable in the Bargnani-thread).

                            Furthermore, Bargnani isn't a one-dimensional scorer: last year he got about 20% of his points in isolation, 20% posting-up, 15% from P&R plays and 20% from spot-up positions. There are only two players on our team who have a significantly higher TS% and that are, predictably, Davis and A Johnson. And that's because they get a large portion of their points from cuts and offensive rebounds (and in Amir's case from P&R situations). Those are high percentage plays which you won't have on every play.

                            Lots more can be said (like how his usage is way too high and should be brought down in order to be more effective, but guess what, that has not really been his choice), but I really don't understand why so many Raptor fans can't be more objective about Bargnani. I smell a lot of scape-goating there, especially when some fans are calling for using the amnesty on Bargnani and/or about 'addition by subtraction'. There is no realism in those statements; really, have you seen the talent on our team? Not all fans are subject to this behaviour, not even most fans. But there is a lot of that going on. Some on here, but a lot on e.g. the comment-section on raptorsrepublic.com or raptors hq.

                            The author might have been on bleachers, but there are good writers who started on there. I know of at least one, Jonathan Tjarks, who now writes for realgm and sbnation. He's one of my favorites (when discussing the game, not the lockout).
                            Last edited by Soft Euro; Fri Nov 4, 2011, 04:11 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Tim W. wrote: View Post
                              If Bargnani and DeRozan are your first and second options, you're in BIG trouble.

                              And the longer you keep a Bargnani that does not improve his defense and rebounding drastically, the more difficult it will be to trade him and the more likely you'll have to take back a bad contract in return. He's still owed $45 million over the next four years.
                              So you wouldn't want a Bargnani with a better, consistent defending to go along with improved rebounding, and probably a Derozan with better D, and an improved handle and 3pt shot?

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