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  • NoPropsneeded
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    Trade him and bring in some lottery picks and let Ed start and tear it up.

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  • Tim W.
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    You guys are just haters.

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  • WhatWhat
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    We should move Bargnani ASAP, he's likely a depreciating asset at this point.

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  • RaptorsFan4Life
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    I think Bargs is going to need more than 68 (or whatever) games to learn and get good at Caseys system. If you're going to pull the plug on him then you can pull it now, if not you should wait at least 2 more seasons...

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  • Joey
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    why_you_mad_tho wrote: View Post
    BC will never trade his love child. Sometimes I think BC cares more about Bargnani than he does the Raptors.
    Welcome to the board!

    However, I disagree with this statement, if only because BC has never really given any indication that this is the case.
    He openly criticized Bargs at the end of the season. (And really, no GM would have traded their #1 pick yet.)
    I can assure you he is at least exploring the options.

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  • why_you_mad_tho
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    BC will never trade his love child. Sometimes I think BC cares more about Bargnani than he does the Raptors.

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  • planetmars
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    GarbageTime wrote: View Post
    Heres hoping BC is on the phone right now finding out whats available for Bargnani.
    Here's hoping that BC has been on the phone throughout the lockout to find out what's available for Bargnani.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    GarbageTime wrote: View Post
    1. While I agree with you in theory... the reality is its important to get an idea of what you 'have' (or what you might miss out on). Derozan has not shown to be a 'must have' player by any stretch, but he has the potential to be anything from a 8th man to a 2nd option. Getting a better idea of his 'value' and therefore, roughly, what he should be offered is important. I can easily see a 'fair deal' of, say, 8 mil being signed, only to find out that deal was never that 'fair' and there is a fresh 4-5 year albatross-ish contract sitting being forced into a starters position.

    2. completely agree. As soon as Casey was hired I was worried about this.... 'well lets see if he can do for Bargnani what he did for Dirk'....except Bargnani is not Dirk. Why not use that same philosophy and see if there is a Scottie Pippen out there for Demar....

    Heres hoping BC is on the phone right now finding out whats available for Bargnani.

    Huge +1.

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  • GarbageTime
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    slaw wrote: View Post
    1. I think he's overstating the urgency with Derozan. He's a decent piece, maybe, but does anyone see him as someone the Raps can't live without? You offer him something reasonable and let the chips fall where they may - he isn't an "at any costs" kinda guy.

    2. Really? Really? Bargnani is not Dirk. On either end of the floor. Period. Casey is never going to turn him into Dirk. He isn't going to be able to "hide" him defensively. He's a coach not a sorceror. If management really needs another season to figure out Bargnani isn't worth the effort then they are even more inept than I thought.

    3. Way too soon to worry about this. We don't even know who will be draft eligible under a new CBA or whether there is even going to be a draft. Even in the worst case scenario you have surplus assets to move for value.

    4. Again, premature speculation. Let's worry about the amnesty clause if it becomes an issue. Whether or not to use it and who to use it on will depend on the facts on the ground at the time. Having capspace for the sake of capspace doesn't mean anything in and of itself. MLSE doesn't need the cost-savings so this seems silly to even consider at this point.

    5. Wouldn't a lost season alter the decision-making process on BC? It's like Chisholm simply ignores common sense and all sense of reasonableness. As someone who would have preferred to see BC gone this past year, it strikes me as completely ridiculous to judge him on the basis of one random year, in particular given the youth of the lineup in that year.

    1. While I agree with you in theory... the reality is its important to get an idea of what you 'have' (or what you might miss out on). Derozan has not shown to be a 'must have' player by any stretch, but he has the potential to be anything from a 8th man to a 2nd option. Getting a better idea of his 'value' and therefore, roughly, what he should be offered is important. I can easily see a 'fair deal' of, say, 8 mil being signed, only to find out that deal was never that 'fair' and there is a fresh 4-5 year albatross-ish contract sitting being forced into a starters position.

    2. completely agree. As soon as Casey was hired I was worried about this.... 'well lets see if he can do for Bargnani what he did for Dirk'....except Bargnani is not Dirk. Why not use that same philosophy and see if there is a Scottie Pippen out there for Demar....

    Heres hoping BC is on the phone right now finding out whats available for Bargnani.

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  • slaw
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    1. I think he's overstating the urgency with Derozan. He's a decent piece, maybe, but does anyone see him as someone the Raps can't live without? You offer him something reasonable and let the chips fall where they may - he isn't an "at any costs" kinda guy.

    2. Really? Really? Bargnani is not Dirk. On either end of the floor. Period. Casey is never going to turn him into Dirk. He isn't going to be able to "hide" him defensively. He's a coach not a sorceror. If management really needs another season to figure out Bargnani isn't worth the effort then they are even more inept than I thought.

    3. Way too soon to worry about this. We don't even know who will be draft eligible under a new CBA or whether there is even going to be a draft. Even in the worst case scenario you have surplus assets to move for value.

    4. Again, premature speculation. Let's worry about the amnesty clause if it becomes an issue. Whether or not to use it and who to use it on will depend on the facts on the ground at the time. Having capspace for the sake of capspace doesn't mean anything in and of itself. MLSE doesn't need the cost-savings so this seems silly to even consider at this point.

    5. Wouldn't a lost season alter the decision-making process on BC? It's like Chisholm simply ignores common sense and all sense of reasonableness. As someone who would have preferred to see BC gone this past year, it strikes me as completely ridiculous to judge him on the basis of one random year, in particular given the youth of the lineup in that year.

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  • Nilanka
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    I always look forward to Chisolm's articles. He's one of the few writers (aside from the Republic) who aren't afraid to tell it like it is.

    That being said, I agree on a lot of his points. It'll be especially interesting to see how the Ed Davis situation plays out. As fans, we rave about his great rookie season, and his "upside". But as far as rookie seasons go, he didn't exactly blow anyone's socks off. He played well considering his preseason injury, and cautious expectations. But the jury is still out (like much of our roster).

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  • Joey
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    deebee wrote: View Post
    if the nba manages the draft the way the nhl did, and the way arse predicted, then the raptors would get absolutely hosed.
    I personally, don't envision it going down this way.
    I posted an article a while back that listed a few of the ways that were being discussed in the CBA meetings, and I'm not sure that NHL route was considered seriously.

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  • deebee
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    i realize this has be said before - and maybe chisholm just doesn't want to stir the "woe is me, the raptors fan" pot - but more important than sussing out our 4 spot through the draft is going to be securing a decent draft position at all. if the nba manages the draft the way the nhl did, and the way arse predicted, then the raptors would get absolutely hosed. honestly. especially for a lock-out that is supposed to be about increasing parity for small-market teams, how could the nba justify giving great draft position to the larger-market teams that just poached a half-dozen stars (i'm including the knicks and nets here).

    with jv on board, i can't see our '12-'13 campaign being anywhere near as bad as our '11-'12 was shaping up to be, making this our best chance to secure some sort of westbrook proxy to jv's durant (derozan's james harden, just so we're clear). even if this draft is heavy on redundant talent, we could always use a strong pick as a trade chip...or field some kinda reverse nellie-ball team with 4 PFs on the floor.

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  • Lark Benson
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    One thing Chisholm left out (and probably with good reason since nothing is set in stone) is that there's every indication that if a season IS played, the new deal will almost certainly increase the minimum age for players entering the draft by another year. Again, nothing's set in stone, but everything I've read has had the owners pushing hard for this. And if that's the case, then the number of players that could really help the Raps in the next draft shrinks dramatically and the draft becomes a bit like last year's instead of the talent-rich crop everyone is projecting.

    Under that scenario Barnes would almost certainly go first, with a second tier of Perry Jones, Sullinger and Lamb being the only other prospects that could help the Raps (and I stress could, as none of the 3 are ideal fits by any means). So you have to wonder whether the Raps might end up trading down or out of the draft for a pick in the '13 draft or more immediate help, especially if Davis plays well and their pick lands outside the top 3.

    Just something to keep an eye on.

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  • Joey
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    1.Well the only thing with Demar is that we don't actually need to Extent him if we don't want.

    Isn't Demar a Restricted Free Agent once his Rookie deal runs out? Could be mistaken on this though.
    And there will likely be Bird Rights to persuade him further.
    So no completely urgent need to extent him. Would be nice though.

    2. I really don't know how I feel about Bargs ... I was big fan his first few years, and really wanted great things for him ... but it just got to the point where if I defended him any further, I'd just be lying. And I couldn't that for him. haha
    I'm completely on the fence as to whether or not we give him a shot under Casey.

    3. Indeed. I'm fine with this assessment.
    I'd like to think Ed would show enough to at least make them think twice before having to trade him away.
    He's already shown a knack for blocking NBA shots. And his confidence was sky high by seasons end.

    Too bad he couldn't keep that momentum going with Summer League and Training Camp ...

    4. I'd rather see what Bargs/Calderons Market value is for trade before paying them to leave the team.

    5. Bryan Colangelo (Chuck Norris) doesn't get nervous, because BC (CN) doesn't have a nervous system!!

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