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**yertu damkule** · Fri Dec 16, 2011, 07:45 AM

sounds about right.

**Balls of Steel** · Fri Dec 16, 2011, 07:51 AM

The only thing I don't like about the signings above are the Raptors' insistence that Bargs is and must play at the four position. Magloire is still a good signing because he's on a one year with plenty of motivation left to get another contract from this team.(two more years before he hangs it up). I'm meh on Gray but the Raps must know something I don't. Can't really complain much because these are all one year deals (except for Forbes).

**yertu damkule** · Fri Dec 16, 2011, 08:12 AM

Balls of Steel wrote: View Post

... Magloire is still a good signing because he's on a one year with plenty of motivation left to get another contract from this team.(two more years before he hangs it up). I'm meh on Gray but the Raps must know something I don't. Can't really complain much because these are all one year deals (except for Forbes).

yeah...i think what we need to keep in mind when reading these kinds of evaluations is that they're generally written from the perspective of 'how does this move help the team win.' very rarely do these quick-hit articles take the long view into consideration. yes, both magloire & gray are 'poor' signings if the goal is for the team to win as many games as possible this season. but that's not the goal...so in a way, these would qualify as good signings, if the article was factoring in what the team was trying to do (i.e. fill out a roster, suck, position themselves for a top-5 pick in a loaded draft, and ensure they don't commit to any long-term deals that will hamper their ability to be players in FA - whatever that means - next summer).

Balls of Steel wrote: View Post

The only thing I don't like about the signings above are the Raptors' insistence that Bargs is and must play at the four position.

IMO, i don't think either gray or magloire will have much of an on-court role after the first month or so. things will revert to the same frontcourt as last year (bargs starting with one of ed or amir - my money's on ed), and they'll play the same role as last year, but we'll call ed a 5 & bargs a 4, and that will somehow excuse bargs' poor rebounding. at the very least, the year will end with no doubt as to exactly what bargs is (and is not), and will allow the team to move on, knowing full well they did everything (and more) in their power to turn him into a complete player. only hope is that he retains some semblance of trade value after the full exposure this year - i.e. that not even defensive genius casey could light the defensive fire under his natiche.

**WJF** · Fri Dec 16, 2011, 08:14 AM

The bigs we signed on one year deals are are not bad signings. They are what they are, filler till Jonas comes and the team sees what they get in a draft pick next year.

As for Andrea (Raptors) insisting he plays the 4, that is not entirely true, he is on record during this training camp saying that he will see time at the 5 as well as the 4.

**KaioKev** · Fri Dec 16, 2011, 10:18 AM

I would agree initially but these are just 1-year deals while we wait for JVal to come. Plus Magloire is mainly just a body for practice. I'm sure he'll see a little bit of time too. Gray will be our back up centre for sure. Thus, I do not agree that these are the worst signings.

Sometimes it seems the media outlets don't look heavily into the Raptors situation. They just look at our roster and our previous record and say "there terrible and going nowhere". But when they look at Detroit, Indiana, Cleveland and Sacramento their analyze their situation thoroughly.

**MangoKid** · Fri Dec 16, 2011, 10:38 AM

Oh man, Charley Rosen.

That list (except for Bibby) are guys who are back-ups and who are signed to one-year deals, so I fail to see how they are poor signings. Why doesn't Rosen list someone like Nene as a bad FA signing? Dude just got 13.5 mil a season. 13.5 mil a season! That puts him in the top-30 paid NBA players. Is Nene a top-30 player in the league?

**yertu damkule** · Fri Dec 16, 2011, 10:51 AM

MangoKid wrote: View Post

Oh man, Charley Rosen.

That list (except for Bibby) are guys who are back-ups and who are signed to one-year deals, so I fail to see how they are poor signings. Why doesn't Rosen list someone like Nene as a bad FA signing? Dude just got 13.5 mil a season. 13.5 mil a season! That puts him in the top-30 paid NBA players. Is Nene a top-30 player in the league?

exactly. writers are like fans, they like the big splashes & big moves. when you're trying to cover all the teams, you inevitibly miss a lot of the finer details with each. it's weird, i often see a much more complete understanding of the L in general & other teams in particular among our readership (based on comments & forum threads) than I do in the general population of sports/basketball writers. i guess they're far too busy hanging out at practice facilities being 'real' journalists.'

**Nilanka** · Fri Dec 16, 2011, 10:59 AM

yertu damkule wrote: View Post

at the very least, the year will end with no doubt as to exactly what bargs is (and is not), and will allow the team to move on, knowing full well they did everything (and more) in their power to turn him into a complete player.

We haven't tried everything yet. We need to see how he pairs with Valanciunas!!! And if that doesn't work, we need to fire Colangelo and Casey, hire their replacements, and then see if the new guys can motivate Bargnani. If that doesn't work, we need to trade DeRozan for a true superstar like LeBron. After all, we need to see if Bargnani needs superstar talent around him to succeed. If that doesn't work, Rogers/Bell needs to sell the team to Jim Ballsilie, a local owner who will burn holes in his pockets, and show Bargnani how hard work can truly pay off. If that doesn't work, we need to relocate the Raptors to Seattle to see if playing in Canada was negatively affecting Bargnani's ability. If that doesn't work...

...we revert Bargnani back to his "natural" position of small forward, and try all of the above again.

The excuses will never (I repeat, never) end. Bargnani has more lives than Super Dave Osborne.

**Apollo** · Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:05 PM

So they didn't consider the price or the Raptors current situation.

**NoPropsneeded** · Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:53 PM

BC said he got offers this off season for bargnani. Why the hell didn't he trade him? if there was a lottery pick or first round pick involved it should have been done. I love how he says no ones untradable and then refuses to trade Barganani this off season

**ceez** · Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:54 PM

what an awful, awful list. whoever wrote that should be fired. no mention of caron or nene? they should be #1 and #2.

**Hello** · Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:55 PM

NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post

BC said he got offers this off season for bargnani. Why the hell didn't he trade him? if there was a lottery pick or first round pick involved it should have been done. I love how he says no ones untradable and then refuses to trade Barganani this off season

+1

**Hello** · Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:56 PM

ceez wrote: View Post

what an awful, awful list. whoever wrote that should be fired. no mention of caron or nene? they should be #1 and #2.

Did you forget about Kwame Brown?
Its only one year, but I dont think I would pay him 7 Mill over 3 years

**ceez** · Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:10 PM

kwame brown isn't a great signing but it isn't bad.

ive said this over and over again, but theres no such thing has a bad 1 year signing, especially if you're a rebuilding team.

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