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  • Boston Globe: Colangelo on a mission to rebuild the Raptors

    There are a few statements in here that many around here would certainly poke holes in - and rightfully so. But overall a decent article and surprising it was written by Boston Globe versus Toronto Star, Sun, or National Post.




    Source: Boston Globe


    Seems BC or Boston Globe are rewriting a little history: Bosh was offered max extension, rebuild was not started with Bosh leaving it was started with MJ nixing.

    After you get past the historical fluff and introductory BS, the last half is really good i.e. Casey onwards.

  • #2
    Why can't the attempt for Tyson Chandler be considered part of a rebuild?

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    • #3
      Colangelo is a true spin doctor. He always puts everything in such a positive light and makes the future look so rosy. Nice article.
      Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.

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      • #4
        Apollo wrote: View Post
        Why can't the attempt for Tyson Chandler be considered part of a rebuild?
        That is true and a good point. The Raptors would have shed Jose's contract and Chandler would have been an expiring contract. His play prior to last season would not have suggested him to be a difference maker.

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        • #5
          "the Raptors will try to entertain their rather diverse and neophyte fan base"

          Not sure what to make of that statement. All I know is that, up until around 2005, I bled blue and white. At around that point, the Raptors began to attract my attention. To be honest, these days things have come around full tilt. The Raps are my team. The Leafs just kind of bore me. I guess, in that respect, I am a neo-phyte. Not sure about the rest of you.

          Anyone know where we can find a clip of this Colangelo interview? I'd love to hear him say that Bosh isn't "...that calibre of player". Of course, I'm not sure why BC tried to make him a center-piece in the first place. Just saying..

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          • #6
            Matt52 wrote: View Post
            That is true and a good point. The Raptors would have shed Jose's contract and Chandler would have been an expiring contract. His play prior to last season would not have suggested him to be a difference maker.
            As well if Chandler were not to stay with the Raps there may have been some asset/s coming back in a sign & trade for him. The only downside I see is that BC may not have drafted JV and gone for a guard. This would have been a tricky decision because of the lockout and the possibility of Chandler not resigning. But then again I saw BC wetting his pants when he found JV dropped to him so.....

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            • #7
              Matt52 wrote: View Post
              That is true and a good point. The Raptors would have shed Jose's contract and Chandler would have been an expiring contract. His play prior to last season would not have suggested him to be a difference maker.
              I wouldn't say that. He's always been a good defender and knows how to hit the glass. He's always been known for doing the blue collar stuff. The Raptors could have used a vet who could contribute and set the right example.

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              • #8
                RaptorDan wrote: View Post
                Colangelo is a true spin doctor. He always puts everything in such a positive light and makes the future look so rosy. Nice article.
                I don't understand how some people expect anything different from any GM worth his salt. Do people think he should be throwing himself, his plans, his players, his coaches under the bus?

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                • #9
                  Pele wrote: View Post
                  "the Raptors will try to entertain their rather diverse and neophyte fan base"

                  Not sure what to make of that statement. All I know is that, up until around 2005, I bled blue and white. At around that point, the Raptors began to attract my attention. To be honest, these days things have come around full tilt. The Raps are my team. The Leafs just kind of bore me. I guess, in that respect, I am a neo-phyte. Not sure about the rest of you.

                  Anyone know where we can find a clip of this Colangelo interview? I'd love to hear him say that Bosh isn't "...that calibre of player". Of course, I'm not sure why BC tried to make him a center-piece in the first place. Just saying..
                  I see your point but if the writer covers the Celtics who have been around for a thousand years, you can see how he gets there. A Maple Leaf reporter may say the same thing about Nashville fans and they may disagree the same way. But, as they say, any press is good press.

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                  • #10
                    I wish Colangelo would stop his media tour de force and show a little humility considering the decisions that made us a bottom five team in the league all fall at his feet.

                    I've seen so many press articles and quotes from him over the last few months where he talks about his "vision" and I can't help but be annoyed considering he had no choice but to rebuild after running the team into the dirt. Yes it's true that they've got some nice pieces in place and if a couple of things go their way then they have a chance to be pretty good relatively soon but those things are far from guarantees. We have to knock our 2012 draft pick out of the park and then lure a top free agent to Toronto the same summer and neither of those things are exactly locks so I'd hold off on patting myself on the back until then if I were BC. Hell, we haven't even seen JV play a single second in the NBA yet and he's already accepting the congratulations for a great pick.

                    If he insists on doing these interviews then he might as well tell the truth. He reiterated for years that Chris Bosh was a franchise type player and that they were committed to keeping him in Toronto with a max deal. If Colangelo had his way, Bosh would still be here and we'd be the same middle of the pack team in the East. It's also worth noting that one of the two first rounders the Raps got from Miami in the Bosh deal was just their own pick back after they had to include it in the deal to get Jermaine O'Neal out of town... which of course was one of BC's notable string of offseason splashes only a few months before.

                    Overall I think he's getting a little ahead of himself seeing as the only part of the rebuild he's actually accomplished so far is where the team bottoms out. I can understand he's excited/proud of the potential in Toronto but considering how the last few years have gone I'd rather he be a little more humble.
                    Last edited by Fully; Mon Jan 2, 2012, 08:50 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Fully wrote: View Post
                      I wish Colangelo would stop his media tour de force and show a little humility considering the decisions that made us a bottom five team in the league all fall at his feet.

                      I've seen more press articles and quotes from him over the last few months where he talks about his "vision" and I can't help but be annoyed considering he had no choice but to rebuild after running the team into the dirt. Yes it's true that they've got some nice pieces in place and if a couple of things go their way then they have a chance to be pretty good relatively soon but those things are far from guarantees. We have to knock our 2012 draft pick out of the park and then lure a top free agent to Toronto the same summer and both those things are far from locks so I'd hold off on patting myself on the back until then if I were BC. Hell, we haven't even seen JV play a single second in the NBA yet and he's already accepting the congratulations for a great pick.

                      If he insists on doing these interviews then he might as well tell the truth. He reiterated for years that Chris Bosh was a franchise type player and that they were committed to keeping him in Toronto with a max deal. If Colangelo had his way, Bosh would still be here and we'd be the same middle of the pack team in the East. It's also worth noting that one of the two first rounders the Raps got from Miami in the Bosh deal was just their own pick back after they had to include it in the deal to get Jermaine O'Neal out of town... which of course was one of BC's notable string of offseason splashes only a few months before.

                      Overall I think he's getting a little ahead of himself seeing as the only part of the rebuild he's actually accomplished so far is where the team bottoms out. I can understand he's excited/proud of the potential in Toronto but considering how the last few years have gone I'd rather he be a little more humble.
                      +1

                      Great post.

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                      • #12
                        Cut Him Some Slack

                        I think people are too critical of Colangelo. To use a baseball analogy, he took some big swings and missed, but at least he wasn't sitting with the bat on his shoulder wondering what could have been.

                        For every mistake he made, from O'Neal to Marion to Hedon't and even minor pick up's like Fred Jones, when things didn't work out he shipped them off quickly rather than hold onto them and hope that things turn around.

                        Bosh was not a cornerstone player to build around, but he was still a 20-10 guy, look around there aren't many. So to fault him when other teams also tried to build with 20-10 players ie. Randolf in NY/Portland), Boozer in Utah, is not as rediculous as some have portrayed.

                        As far as media spin goes, athletes now a day, ESPECIALLY in the NBA are major pussies. What do you want him to say when people ask about Bosh as a cornerstone? "Chris is a great player but he will never be the kind of guy to carry a team, so we are hoping to luck out and get a real franchise player." He was stroking his ego and trying to fit pieces around a very talented player. The Pistons were successful for many years without a true star, so it can be done.

                        I know its really easy to get deluded into thinking we can all be GM's by crafting rediculous trades on ESPN trade machine, but it doesn't take in to account random variables like how pieces fit into a particular team/coaches system, and whether said players even want to play for your team (Alonzo Mourning anyone). People seem to forget that getting players to come to Toronto has always been a hard job. Toronto gets players through the draft and trades but it has always been slim pickings with free agents.

                        The guy hasn't done a great job, but few GM's do. Some are poor, some are great and the most fall somewhere in between. Lets stop casting guys off who make a few unpopular/bad moves. Everyone makes mistakes, at least he tries to correct his.
                        Deadallus

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                        • #13
                          p00ka wrote: View Post
                          I don't understand how some people expect anything different from any GM worth his salt. Do people think he should be throwing himself, his plans, his players, his coaches under the bus?
                          It was a comment not a critique. Dude's got mad skills.
                          Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.

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                          • #14
                            Deadallus wrote: View Post
                            I think people are too critical of Colangelo. To use a baseball analogy, he took some big swings and missed, but at least he wasn't sitting with the bat on his shoulder wondering what could have been.

                            For every mistake he made, from O'Neal to Marion to Hedon't and even minor pick up's like Fred Jones, when things didn't work out he shipped them off quickly rather than hold onto them and hope that things turn around.

                            Bosh was not a cornerstone player to build around, but he was still a 20-10 guy, look around there aren't many. So to fault him when other teams also tried to build with 20-10 players ie. Randolf in NY/Portland), Boozer in Utah, is not as rediculous as some have portrayed.

                            As far as media spin goes, athletes now a day, ESPECIALLY in the NBA are major pussies. What do you want him to say when people ask about Bosh as a cornerstone? "Chris is a great player but he will never be the kind of guy to carry a team, so we are hoping to luck out and get a real franchise player." He was stroking his ego and trying to fit pieces around a very talented player. The Pistons were successful for many years without a true star, so it can be done.

                            I know its really easy to get deluded into thinking we can all be GM's by crafting rediculous trades on ESPN trade machine, but it doesn't take in to account random variables like how pieces fit into a particular team/coaches system, and whether said players even want to play for your team (Alonzo Mourning anyone). People seem to forget that getting players to come to Toronto has always been a hard job. Toronto gets players through the draft and trades but it has always been slim pickings with free agents.

                            The guy hasn't done a great job, but few GM's do. Some are poor, some are great and the most fall somewhere in between. Lets stop casting guys off who make a few unpopular/bad moves. Everyone makes mistakes, at least he tries to correct his.
                            I agree. I never quite understand why some need to see some groveling from the boss before they can acknowledge the strengths and abilities that make him who he is. Everything you said here is bang on.

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                            • #15
                              Deadallus wrote: View Post
                              I think people are too critical of Colangelo. To use a baseball analogy, he took some big swings and missed, but at least he wasn't sitting with the bat on his shoulder wondering what could have been.

                              For every mistake he made, from O'Neal to Marion to Hedon't and even minor pick up's like Fred Jones, when things didn't work out he shipped them off quickly rather than hold onto them and hope that things turn around.

                              Bosh was not a cornerstone player to build around, but he was still a 20-10 guy, look around there aren't many. So to fault him when other teams also tried to build with 20-10 players ie. Randolf in NY/Portland), Boozer in Utah, is not as rediculous as some have portrayed.

                              As far as media spin goes, athletes now a day, ESPECIALLY in the NBA are major pussies. What do you want him to say when people ask about Bosh as a cornerstone? "Chris is a great player but he will never be the kind of guy to carry a team, so we are hoping to luck out and get a real franchise player." He was stroking his ego and trying to fit pieces around a very talented player. The Pistons were successful for many years without a true star, so it can be done.

                              I know its really easy to get deluded into thinking we can all be GM's by crafting rediculous trades on ESPN trade machine, but it doesn't take in to account random variables like how pieces fit into a particular team/coaches system, and whether said players even want to play for your team (Alonzo Mourning anyone). People seem to forget that getting players to come to Toronto has always been a hard job. Toronto gets players through the draft and trades but it has always been slim pickings with free agents.

                              The guy hasn't done a great job, but few GM's do. Some are poor, some are great and the most fall somewhere in between. Lets stop casting guys off who make a few unpopular/bad moves. Everyone makes mistakes, at least he tries to correct his.
                              I understand that building an NBA roster is a lot more complex than tinkering with the trade machine or assembling your fantasy line up as you need to pay a certain level of attention on just how the pieces you have on your team will fit together. However it is my opinion that this is where BC has made some of his largest failures during his time in Toronto as his two biggest moves (trading for O'Neal and signing Turkoglu) were absolute DISASTERS from a chemistry standpoint both off the court and on it.

                              You can give Colangelo credit for cutting ties quickly with both players after it became obvious that it wasn't going to work, but if you're constantly correcting your mistakes then it becomes a case of taking one step forward and two steps back. We certainly didn't come out ahead on the JO proceedings considering we gave up Ford, Nesterovic and Roy Hibbert on a rookie scale contract in order to get O'Neal in Toronto, and when he left town we got a 3 month Shawn Marion rental in return. Overall, that's a pretty big net loss for the franchise and I think you're giving Colangelo a free pass that he doesn't deserve.

                              I'm aware that it's historically been difficult to lure free agents to Toronto which is just another reason why I think Colangelo should ease up on his media parade and see how the next 12 months play out before he starts basking in too much glory. This is the easy part of the rebuild. It doesn't take a visionary to have your team bottom out and grab a couple of high draft picks in consecutive years. There's a half dozen or more franchises in the NBA right now like that - young teams with a couple of building blocks from the lottery in place that are looking to get an All NBA caliber player in the draft this summer and then use their cap room to land an impact free agent. Not all of them will be successful, and in fact, most of them won't. Colangelo's toughest work is still ahead of him and I'd rather he be seen and not heard considering all of the circumstances.
                              Last edited by Fully; Tue Jan 3, 2012, 02:48 PM.

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