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  • Lark Benson
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    This same logic could be applied to 90% of small market teams in every major professional sport in North America. Somehow I think it's got more to do with economics.

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  • Apollo
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    Charlz, what you've missed in your theory is the fact that the league has been expanding the game globally. They don't just care about America, they're looking past that. Also what you miss is that the Raptors are in a 35 million person market. A market that is far more financially stable than any American market. The fact that Canada has a team at all defies your theory.

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  • charlz
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    joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    There's no conspiracy against the Raptors.

    If you want a conspiracy look at the Bobcats. They've lost 15 in a row, and they're owned by the Greatest player EVER.
    If there was ever a conspiracy to make teams 'better', it would be working in favour of the Bobcats right now.
    Or how about Washington, where they were supposedly 'given' John Wall because of all the Arenas BS ... didn't do much did it?

    Conspiracy Theories are fun, but they're also easy. It's alot harder to just admit that this team just isn't very good. :P haha


    Not to mention, we are NOT the only team to have lost a few SuperStars.
    (Hibbert is NOT a SuperStar. Stoudemire was NOT a SuperStar.)
    It happens.
    it is not a conspiracy agaist Raptors per-say the what I am trying to say is you will have a much greater chance of succeeding if the league wants you to - and a much tougher time if it is not in the best interests of the league...

    It is very much in the leagues best interest for a wonderful humble Asian kid from NY to rise to stardom.... and so you can see officials 'helping him'... I am a JLin fan too I heard him do a couple interviews and he is the embodiment of a great humble team player.
    Last edited by charlz; Wed Feb 15, 2012, 09:38 AM.

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  • Apollo
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    charlz wrote: View Post
    Toronto never gets stars and when it does they go for a nothing in return
    Vince Carter for Alonzo Mourning Eric Williams and Joey Graham...?
    Tracey McGrady for???
    Damon Stoudamire for??
    Roy Hibbert for???
    • The league didn't trade Vince Carter away for peanuts, Rob Babcock did that. He buckled under the pressure.
    • T-Mac wanted out of Toronto because he felt misused/slighted by the coaching staff. He felt like he would always be in the shadow of Carter and that he wasn't appreciated. He left because of what the coaches and management did.
    • Mighty Mouse mentioned his regrets later about leaving town. His career was never the same. He left very early on in the organization's life. The Raptors had a bunch of non-basketball people with high influence and Isiah Thomas couldn't hide that. You put a couple septic tank drainers in the kitchen and I'm sorry but you get shit soup.
    • Roy Hibbert? Are you kidding me? For one it was a later round draft pick, late teens, and for two the Raptors drafted him at the Pacers' request to facilitate a trade. You have absolutely no idea if he would have been the Raptors' choice had the trade not been agreed on. My money would be on him not being drafted by the Raptors given they had Bosh and Bargnani and there were other nice options. You're really grasping here. Wow...


    charlz wrote: View Post
    People will flame this post as being conspiracy filled - go ahead but until you see Toronto do anything but feed other teams talent and wins its hard to argue that something don't smell funny.
    Sorry but I'm not putting on the tinfoil hat Charlz.

    Excellent article you referenced by the way. I'm still reading it in pieces when I get time.

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  • Joey
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    There's no conspiracy against the Raptors.

    If you want a conspiracy look at the Bobcats. They've lost 15 in a row, and they're owned by the Greatest player EVER.
    If there was ever a conspiracy to make teams 'better', it would be working in favour of the Bobcats right now.
    Or how about Washington, where they were supposedly 'given' John Wall because of all the Arenas BS ... didn't do much did it?

    Conspiracy Theories are fun, but they're also easy. It's alot harder to just admit that this team just isn't very good. :P haha


    Not to mention, we are NOT the only team to have lost a few SuperStars.
    (Hibbert is NOT a SuperStar. Stoudemire was NOT a SuperStar.)
    It happens.

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  • charlz
    started a topic Jeremy Lin: evidence that Raps will never win anything

    Jeremy Lin: evidence that Raps will never win anything

    I used to think the league would use its officials to:
    - help teams win home games
    - help big market teams win
    - help promote stars
    ... now I am sure of it.

    Is NBA on court play fixed? not really it is not the WWE. But it is obvious that it uses officials to manipulate the outcome of games and the promotion of stars.

    The league is against great defensive players (Amir Johnson and James Johnson get the cheapest foul calls).
    The foul count last night was Toronto->28 Newyork->18 terrible rhythm interrupting calls in the 2nd half took all the mojo out of Toronto's great play.

    consider this excerpt from Blowing the Whistle, by Tim Donaghy.
    Some players, even very good ones, were targeted by referees and the league because they were too talented for their own good. Raja Bell, formerly of the Phoenix Suns and now a member of the Charlotte Bobcats, was one of those players. A defensive specialist throughout his career, Bell had a reputation for being a "star stopper." His defensive skills were so razor sharp that he could shut down a superstar, or at least make him work for his points. Kobe Bryant was often frustrated by Bell's tenacity on defense. Let's face it, no one completely shuts down a player of Kobe's caliber, but Bell could frustrate Kobe, take him out of his game, and interrupt his rhythm.
    http://deadspin.com/5392067/excerpts...nt-you-to-read
    Jeremy Lin is a great kid and an inspirational story but is it really a co-incidence that in year without Yao Ming that suddenly an unknown Asian kid has ridden to immediate stardom? and in such a short time?

    Its great for the league - JLin is everywhere
    heck its even great for MLSE they sold 20,096 seats last night.

    If that is going on in the game I shudder to think about what is going on behind closed doors, in draft lotteries... do we even get to see the lottery now?

    Toronto never gets stars and when it does they go for a nothing in return
    Vince Carter for Alonzo Mourning Eric Williams and Joey Graham...?
    Tracey McGrady for???
    Damon Stoudamire for??
    Roy Hibbert for???

    Connect the dots people:
    -> Kevin McHale life time Celtic
    -> Goes to GM Twolves
    -> trades away the best player in the league to...?

    Why would the league want Toronto as a have not? it is after all the 4th biggest market and if you are considering it Canadas team - maybe the 2nd biggest market. so why?
    ANSWER: American TV. They dont like Canada and neither do their sponsors many of who don't sell to Canadian Consumers (IE Direct TV)

    People will flame this post as being conspiracy filled - go ahead but until you see Toronto do anything but feed other teams talent and wins its hard to argue that something don't smell funny.

    After last night 4th quarter I am reminded to just enjoy the game for what it is but understand that 2nd round play will be few and far between and likely the apex of any generation of Raptor Ball... if your lucky.
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