what about marvin williams

[enlightenment]

yeah your argument just shot itself in the foot the moment you showed us they have virtually identical stats.

[ReubenJRD]

Prove it. What is your opinion based on?

They don't just play defense at the same rate, but they play offense at the same rate.

For forwards.

PER #56 Marvin Williams #57 James Johnson

Btw, I meant "doesn't give up as much" as he doesn't get scored on any less.

[ReubenJRD]

You should pay more attention to his game.

So if you say he's the best defender on a Raptor uniform, that means you haven't seen Doug Christie, who was KNOWN as a perimeter stopper. James Johnson lets up points, sure he blocks shots and grabs defensive rebounds, but he wasn't really stopping guys from scoring. Don't get me wrong, I've been loving James Johnson's game on both ends of the court, but his defense is not amazing, but its pretty good.
We were talking about Marvin Williams' defense. I see his offense, and I've talked about his better decisions, better shots, aggressiveness, I've seen it. It's been helping the team, plus he has better ball-handling than Derozan..

You should read more of the threads.

[ReubenJRD]

He's the best defender I've seen in a raptors uniform... whatever that says. He can take over a game on that end. I'm really not sure why more of his blocks don't make the highlight reals. No one has lit him up this year, and Casey has 100 percent confidence in him. His offence is finally finding it's stride. He's taking it hard to the hoop all the time. You should pay more attention to his game.

As for Marvin, I thought BC should have went with him instead of Turk a few years ago. He would have been cheaper and Atlanta wouldn't have been able to match. However, he is inconsistent and can disappear during games.

The Klieza and JJ combo isn't bad for now. Give it another year and see how things work out with the draft and Jonas.

Yeah but they aren't an answer at the three, I would love them on this team for years to come, but they aren't going to get things done in the playoffs where it was probably a very important piece when it comes to production.

[speedbag]

Yeah but James Johnson isn't a defensive stopper......

Marvin Williams can play defense, he's not a Ron Artest, LeBron James, type defender, but he can stop ball and make it hard. It's not bad defense he plays, it's just not great.

He's the best defender I've seen in a raptors uniform... whatever that says. He can take over a game on that end. I'm really not sure why more of his blocks don't make the highlight reals. No one has lit him up this year, and Casey has 100 percent confidence in him. His offence is finally finding it's stride. He's taking it hard to the hoop all the time. You should pay more attention to his game.

As for Marvin, I thought BC should have went with him instead of Turk a few years ago. He would have been cheaper and Atlanta wouldn't have been able to match. However, he is inconsistent and can disappear during games.

The Klieza and JJ combo isn't bad for now. Give it another year and see how things work out with the draft and Jonas.

[IROR]

Meh.

[jimmie]

In reply to the thread title ...

What ABOUT Marvin Wiliams ?

not interested at all

Seconded. The guy has never reached his potential, he is what he is: a 25-minute, 9 and 5 guy. Do not want.

[Bendit]

Marvin Williams claim to fame....he was picked by Atlanta instead of CP3....to their everlasting regret. Somewhat similar to the Raps (but not as bad) when they opted for Joey Graham instead of Granger.

No thanks. I'd much prefer a Chandler or a Batum.

[pesterm1]

In reply to the thread title ...

What ABOUT Marvin Wiliams ?

not interested at all

[MangoKid]

The Hawks gave him a pretty nice contract, so they think pretty well of him. With that being said, they're not going to just give him away.

[CT2010]

He's actually underrated defensively, he doesn't give up as much as James Johnson I can tell you that.

Prove it. What is your opinion based on?

[ReubenJRD]

James Johnson is one of the better defending wings in league..

Yeah but James Johnson isn't a defensive stopper......

Marvin Williams can play defense, he's not a Ron Artest, LeBron James, type defender, but he can stop ball and make it hard. It's not bad defense he plays, it's just not great.

[enlightenment]

James Johnson is one of the better defending wings in league..

[ReubenJRD]

Actually I shouldnt say anything I can't remember the last time I've seen him play

He's actually underrated defensively, he doesn't give up as much as James Johnson I can tell you that.

[ceez]

Actually I shouldnt say anything I can't remember the last time I've seen him play