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  • #31
    saints91 wrote: View Post
    In Bayless' case stats are not the clear indicator of his ability to be a PG. Yes some games he's on, and shoots the lights out. Most nights he forces his game, and doesn't stop.

    How many times has a guy been on fire, like DeMar, Kleiza or Barbosa and then Bayless comes on the floor and doesn't feed them. It's the Bayless show!

    I yell at my TV every game due to his poor basketball IQ.

    I love when he dribbles around trying to get his own shot and then when he can't, and then he passes the ball off with limited seconds on the clock and other player has to chuck it up.

    How much of his energy goes into trying to get his own shot? Probably about 80%. Numerous times a game he goes up for a lay-up realizes it's not there and throws a wild pass. Fundamentals, don't leave your feet then try to pass.

    He is good for one pass. It's like has it in his mind "okay, I'm a point guard I have to pass the ball" , He passes the ball once, and as soon as the ball come back to him he takes the shot. "I'm good! I passed the ball that time and didn't run an isolation play for myself." He's a volume shooter, most of the time it doesn't work.

    I've tried to like him. When he came from N.O. I was excited. I gave him a chance, and I'm just not impressed.

    As for, "if he got more time he would be able to prove himself", we brought it up in the Alibi thread, the coaches know more than we do. There is a reason he is not starting, or playing more.
    If we are not going to go by stats ... then what are we going by? Opinions. Record? Our record is bad no matter who is our point guard lol. Their is no doubt that he turns it over more than Jose does, I will not dispute that, but his assist numbers are not that bad relative to other PGs in this league, and he can get to the line by breaking defenses down which is a rare ability. Given time to mature (since he is only 23) he can become very good at drawing defenses and kicking out. He is an explosive scorer their is no doubt about that, he has been injured all year, and still can put the ball in the basket. Casey has often come out and said "He is our best on-the-ball defender", he is a very physical defender. He brings a lot to the table.

    I'm not saying start him over Jose just yet, but what I am saying is that the constant bashing this guy gets from people on this forum is not justified. To be perfectly honest with you, if Jose was to get traded I would be completely happy with Bayless starting for me. Even before he got injured the 2nd time this year, the guy started putting up crazy numbers. There is no reason why we shouldnt be considering this guy as our "PG of the future".

    As for those that say "Brian Colangelo didnt extend him so he is going to be gone" I disagree. Why extend the guy when it is unsure someone is going to match his qualifying offer, especially when he is already on contract for a relatively cheap price. This guy does figure into the raptors plans for the future, maybe that is my opinion but I am sure I'm not the only one who has considered this.
    "Defense wins championships."

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    • #32
      Aw, come on, man. This has been done to death.

      You know who else is as good as Bayless?

      Keyon Dooling (2m/year)
      Avery Bradley (1.5M)
      Alonzo Gee (.85M)
      Roddy Beaubois (2M)
      Corey Brewer (3M)
      Dorell Wright (3.5M)
      Will Bynum (3.4M)
      Courtney Lee (2.5M)
      Goran Dragic (2M)
      Darren Collison (1.5M)
      George Hill (2M)
      Eric Bledsoe (1.6M)
      Tony Allen (3M)
      Shaun Livingston (3.5M)
      Luke Ridnour (4M)
      Jordan Farmar (4M)
      Anthony Morrow (4M)
      Toney Douglas (1.5M)
      CJ Miles (3.7M)
      Jordan Crawford (1M)

      and that's just -some- of the guys who are playing as well or better than Bayless NOW, not mentioning any of the other young PG/SGs out there on rookie contracts.

      The point is, guys like Bayless are a dime a dozen, and you certainly don't have to pay more than $4M/year for one of them. Every year, there are 20-30 guys like Bayless, who have "potential" if only they got a shot. I'd rather Toronto didn't pay one of them that kind of money when there are easy alternatives out there.
      Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.

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      • #33
        always liked ridnour but he reminds me of the wnba in how he is boring to watch but fundamentally sound

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        • #34
          thing is i like bayless too. If he had the brain to go along with his athletic ability, speed and shooting he'd be a deadly PG. Maybe someday he'll get it, but i think its just frustration and inconsistency. When he calms it down he actually plays really well

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          • #35
            look at kyle lowry. He was a backup for aaron brooks and look at him now after they gave him a chance. We should try that with bayless

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            • #36
              Bayless has been given enough of a chance (this year and last year) to conclude he can't run an offense. He doesn't get guys to their spots, and he doesn't feed hot hands, and his only option when running a PNR is a pull-up 22-footer just inside the arc.

              His 18 points (per 36 mins) means nothing to me. I'm looking for stability, control, composure, and intelligence in a PG...everything which Bayless is not.

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              • #37
                I am a huge fan of Bayless and had really high expectations for him this year. It is safe to say that he has thoroughly disappointed me. I have this wet dream that one day Bayless could develop into the mold of a Tony Parker or Derrick Rose. After watching every game this season, he has turned my wet dream into a nightmare.

                In all fairness to Bayless, he is coming off an ankle injury and his defense is still better than Calderon's plus he is not scared to drive to the basket. I would keep him as a backup for now and definitely use him as trade bait and see what we can get back for him.

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                • #38
                  NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
                  look at kyle lowry. He was a backup for aaron brooks and look at him now after they gave him a chance. We should try that with bayless
                  Kyle Lowry was a very good backup, posting similar PER than he did his first year as a starter. My guess is Houston expected to be an average to above average starter-quality point guard when they inserted him in the starter role.

                  Kyle Lowry is so much better this year than he was in any other year that's it's hard to say whether this year is an anomaly for him, his new standard, or something in between. I would not be surprised if he regresses next year but still be an above starter-quality point guard.

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                  • #39
                    jimmie wrote: View Post
                    Aw, come on, man. This has been done to death.

                    You know who else is as good as Bayless?

                    Keyon Dooling (2m/year)
                    Avery Bradley (1.5M)
                    Alonzo Gee (.85M)
                    Roddy Beaubois (2M)
                    Corey Brewer (3M)
                    Dorell Wright (3.5M)
                    Will Bynum (3.4M)
                    Courtney Lee (2.5M)
                    Goran Dragic (2M)
                    Darren Collison (1.5M)
                    George Hill (2M)
                    Eric Bledsoe (1.6M)
                    Tony Allen (3M)
                    Shaun Livingston (3.5M)
                    Luke Ridnour (4M)
                    Jordan Farmar (4M)
                    Anthony Morrow (4M)
                    Toney Douglas (1.5M)
                    CJ Miles (3.7M)
                    Jordan Crawford (1M)

                    and that's just -some- of the guys who are playing as well or better than Bayless NOW, not mentioning any of the other young PG/SGs out there on rookie contracts.

                    The point is, guys like Bayless are a dime a dozen, and you certainly don't have to pay more than $4M/year for one of them. Every year, there are 20-30 guys like Bayless, who have "potential" if only they got a shot. I'd rather Toronto didn't pay one of them that kind of money when there are easy alternatives out there.
                    There was another thread in which posters agreed $4M/year is too much for Bayless but $2.5M a year is reasonable.

                    It's pretty much in line with the salary of the players you listed.

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                    • #40
                      JalenRose5 wrote: View Post
                      In all fairness to Bayless, he is coming off an ankle injury and his defense is still better than Calderon's plus he is not scared to drive to the basket. I would keep him as a backup for now and definitely use him as trade bait and see what we can get back for him.
                      The assumption is Bayless is a desirable commodity.

                      While I believe there is definitely a market for players like him, I think the market is more for a player being able to fill the role he plays than in the player itself. In others words, Bayless is useful but no more desirable than many players who fill the exact same role.

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                      • #41
                        WJF wrote: View Post
                        People need to get off "numbers" and really watch the players impact on the game and on his team. I wont bother to make a case for Bayless either good or bad, I just ask that for those people who want him, or think of him, as a starter, please watch the next game very closely and give a true scouting report based on his play not his box score. I ask this because those that throw the numbers out are ripped by those talking about his impact on the floor. If you can support your claims with actual play it may make your argument better.

                        For the record Bayless = career back-up....possible a very good back-up.
                        +1

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                        • #42
                          SuperRaptor wrote: View Post
                          If we are not going to go by stats ... then what are we going by? Opinions. Record? Our record is bad no matter who is our point guard lol. Their is no doubt that he turns it over more than Jose does, I will not dispute that, but his assist numbers are not that bad relative to other PGs in this league, and he can get to the line by breaking defenses down which is a rare ability. Given time to mature (since he is only 23) he can become very good at drawing defenses and kicking out. He is an explosive scorer their is no doubt about that, he has been injured all year, and still can put the ball in the basket. Casey has often come out and said "He is our best on-the-ball defender", he is a very physical defender. He brings a lot to the table.

                          I'm not saying start him over Jose just yet, but what I am saying is that the constant bashing this guy gets from people on this forum is not justified. To be perfectly honest with you, if Jose was to get traded I would be completely happy with Bayless starting for me. Even before he got injured the 2nd time this year, the guy started putting up crazy numbers. There is no reason why we shouldnt be considering this guy as our "PG of the future".

                          As for those that say "Brian Colangelo didnt extend him so he is going to be gone" I disagree. Why extend the guy when it is unsure someone is going to match his qualifying offer, especially when he is already on contract for a relatively cheap price. This guy does figure into the raptors plans for the future, maybe that is my opinion but I am sure I'm not the only one who has considered this.
                          You really need to stop talking about stats, stats are good for a team. Unless you turn it over as much.

                          He's not going to help this team develop, and if we just put him on a starting role than hell he doesn't deserve, he's not going to make ANYONE better.

                          I stand by my opinion and arguments, and many of the top writers on this forum can attest to it.

                          Bayless is a shooting guard in a point guard's body, and has proved his reliability as a point guard. Wanna talk about stats? His stats have been better at the shooting guard.

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                          • #43
                            Why does this fanbase fall in love with scrubs?

                            Anyways we're better off drafting a PG than giving Bayless 4-5 mill a season which he thinks he deserves.

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                            • #44
                              Fk24 wrote: View Post
                              Why does this fanbase fall in love with scrubs?

                              Anyways we're better off drafting a PG than giving Bayless 4-5 mill a season which he thinks he deserves.
                              +1 Nice good first post buddy. :P welcome to the forum

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                              • #45
                                RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
                                You really need to stop talking about stats, stats are good for a team. Unless you turn it over as much.

                                He's not going to help this team develop, and if we just put him on a starting role than hell he doesn't deserve, he's not going to make ANYONE better.

                                I stand by my opinion and arguments, and many of the top writers on this forum can attest to it.

                                Bayless is a shooting guard in a point guard's body, and has proved his reliability as a point guard. Wanna talk about stats? His stats have been better at the shooting guard.
                                The reality is that unless we are talking about stats all we are doing is giving our opinion/speculating. Show me the stats where his play as a SG is better than his play as a PG ... I respect the fact that you can stand by your opinion, I am just saying that whether or not he is a good player isn't as black and white as people on this forum would like to believe.

                                Its not easy to argue against the majority, but I wouldn't do it unless I believed in it. I think Bayless will be a part of the raptors, he is a great back up PG, who should start on this team if their was no Jose Calderon.
                                "Defense wins championships."

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