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  • Bendit
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    joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Overall, I think we agree with eachother. Haha
    Good. Wouldn't want to get on your bad side!

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  • Joey
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    Bendit wrote: View Post
    The Billups and Paul transactions occurred within a day of each other (2 at most). I believe that LAL already knew they were going to acquire Paul. Billups was a good body to have and cheap as well as could be used either as a backup to CP or as a SG.
    Fair point. I remember reading that they were trying to convince him to play SG as a way of prolonging his Career.


    No dispute that Billups made his bones in the league as a PG. What I was saying was that he was really a SG who made himself into a PG but it took him about 5 years (at least no team of 4 thought he was ready to play that position until Detroit). So there are similarities to Bayless in a way. Like Billups I think Bayless believes that being a PG is his only way to being a starter...he does not have the size to defend other SGs on most nights. And he is right.
    Dig it. Nice post.


    Re your last sentence, I dont know that I wrote anything to dispute that. It's definitely an asset to have at any position really and is a must for an elite SG.
    You didn't. Sorry, should have clarified.
    That was more just a summarization of my viewpoint.

    Overall, I think we agree with eachother. Haha
    Bayless has a chance to be something very good; If he goes about it the right way.

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  • Bendit
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    joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    The Clippers picked up Billups as a Point Guard. When they traded for Paul, (and gave up their starting SG) it made sense to slide him over to the 2.
    That said, I don't think there is anyone that could/would contend Billups has been anything but a PG through out the Prime of his career.

    Just because Bayless likes (read: capable of) creating his own shot, I don't think that automatically makes him a SG by trade.
    The Billups and Paul transactions occurred within a day of each other (2 at most). I believe that LAL already knew they were going to acquire Paul. Billups was a good body to have and cheap as well as could be used either as a backup to CP or as a SG.

    No dispute that Billups made his bones in the league as a PG. What I was saying was that he was really a SG who made himself into a PG but it took him about 5 years (at least no team of 4 thought he was ready to play that position until Detroit). So there are similarities to Bayless in a way. Like Billups I think Bayless believes that being a PG is his only way to being a starter...he does not have the size to defend other SGs on most nights. And he is right.

    Re your last sentence, I dont know that I wrote anything to dispute that. It's definitely an asset to have at any position really and is a must for an elite SG.

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  • Joey
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    Bendit wrote: View Post
    Bottom line...Bayless is an asset and I think Casey's view of him long term is correct. Now if he could embrace the Terry/Harden model rather than the Billups one (ironically Billups was selected by Pitino/Boston as a PG but they gave up on him in the first year! because they found him to be a SG). Billups before getting injured with LAC had reverted to SG mostly. Keep Bayless for the next year and let Casey try and "work" him. If he agrees and does the job he could be worth MLE money. He is still young. What I like about him most is he plays with an edge in crunchtime and the Raps dont have too many like him.
    The Clippers picked up Billups as a Point Guard. When they traded for Paul, (and gave up their starting SG) it made sense to slide him over to the 2.
    That said, I don't think there is anyone that could/would contend Billups has been anything but a PG through out the Prime of his career.

    Just because Bayless likes (read: capable of) creating his own shot, I don't think that automatically makes him a SG by trade.
    Last edited by Joey; Sat Apr 28, 2012, 03:14 PM.

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  • Bendit
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    Bottom line...Bayless is an asset and I think Casey's view of him long term is correct. Now if he could embrace the Terry/Harden model rather than the Billups one (ironically Billups was selected by Pitino/Boston as a PG but they gave up on him in the first year! because they found him to be a SG). Billups before getting injured with LAC had reverted to SG mostly. Keep Bayless for the next year and let Casey try and "work" him. If he agrees and does the job he could be worth MLE money. He is still young. What I like about him most is he plays with an edge in crunchtime and the Raps dont have too many like him.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Raptorsss wrote: View Post
    I think we're pretty much in agreement Matt, except that im still very high on the guy.
    Right you are.

    I went back and read the comment with all the teams and saw "within the realm of possibility." My apologies. I thought you said he would start there. I need to read better!

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  • Raptorsss
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    I think we're pretty much in agreement Matt, except that im still very high on the guy.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    I know I have been very critical of Bayless but that is as a starting PG.

    If he would embrace the 6th man role, I'd be ecstatic with him. Unfortunately, he seems to be 2 different players when he starts versus comes off the bench. Dwane Casey on JB:

    On free agent Jerryd Bayless: “His gift is getting to the basket, body hunting and shooting the three-ball. That’s his gift. He’s got a niche in this league where you can look at James Harden in Oklahoma City and Jason Terry. Guys don’t like to be compared to other players, but those guys make a nice living at doing that. That’s the next step in his game, seeing his teammates, making the right decisions with the ball because as I say all of the time, when you have the ball in your hands you have the whole team in your hand. You have great responsibility. You’ve got to cherish that responsibility.”

    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...ronto-raptors/

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Raptorsss wrote: View Post
    Portland, Sacramento, Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, LAL, NJ (assuming they lose DWill), UTAH, Indiana are all within the realm of possibilites as possible landing spots for him.
    Portland - maybe but that could change after Christmas.... er, I mean free agency. Given how Felton played after McMillan's firing I don't think he would have started this year.
    Sacramento - debatable. Isaiah Thomas' stats as a starter are impressive.
    Charlotte - over DJ Augustin (now) and Walker (future)? I'm not sure.
    Atlanta - over Teague? I'm not sure.
    Miami - maybe. Depends how well he plays without the ball and playing as the 4th option at best.
    Orlando - maybe. A healthy Jameer is pretty good. But he is past his best year's so I could agree with this.
    LAL - maybe. Sessions has been playing some really good ball for them.
    NJ - with no Williams, yes.
    Utah - Harris turned it around the last part of the year.
    Indiana - Collison and Hill would start over him, in my opinion.


    Even if he was on another team, I don't think his starting is an automatic. Then you have to look at the sh!t teams (like Toronto, Charlotte, Sacramento, NJ) and wonder if he could put up those stats or be effective in a winning environment with more talent around him. One worry I have about him in Toronto is his stats when the Raptors lose are better than when they win.

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  • Raptorsss
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I agree with the first and not with the second.

    Bayless and the Raptors have different views on his future career potential.

    I don't think he is a starting PG at this time.... but that is just me.
    Portland, Sacramento, Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, LAL, NJ (assuming they lose DWill), UTAH, Indiana are all within the realm of possibilites as possible landing spots for him.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Raptorsss wrote: View Post
    It's funny how Casey compared Bayless to two of the best back-up shooting guards in the league. I wonder if that's what Bayless wants to hear? Casey wants to employ Bayless as a back-up two guard who can shoot from 3 and handle the ball...but Bayless wants to be a starting 1.

    The thing is I think he could be a starting PG job on another team.
    I agree with the first and not with the second.

    Bayless and the Raptors have different views on his future career potential.

    I don't think he is a starting PG at this time.... but that is just me.

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  • Raptorsss
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    It's funny how Casey compared Bayless to two of the best back-up shooting guards in the league. I wonder if that's what Bayless wants to hear? Casey wants to employ Bayless as a back-up two guard who can shoot from 3 and handle the ball...but Bayless wants to be a starting 1.

    The thing is I think he could be a starting PG job on another team.

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  • RAPresenting
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    joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    This is something I've been saying for a while as well.
    Its not everyday we get someone pleading to stay with the team.
    This is extremely rare especially for the Toronto Raptors. I'm hoping that Bayless see's the opportunity for extended PT and is willing to sign a smaller deal with flexibility for him if he shows well. I would like to see a 3 year deal for 12-15 million (total of course not per) and the last year be a player option. I love his passion and think as he matures his game will as well. He's a game changer and has the tools to be a stud I'd hate to see him walk.

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  • Joey
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    “I appreciate the fact that a young player says: ‘I want to be here in Toronto, I love the city of Toronto, I love the opportunity you guys have given me, I love the staff, I really want to be here,’” Colangelo said.

    “That makes some sense to us.”
    This is something I've been saying for a while as well.
    Its not everyday we get someone pleading to stay with the team.

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  • Joey
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    Puffer wrote: View Post
    Against all odds and in complete contravention of everything I thought would be possible, in the games before his hip pointer took him out for the season, I thought Bayless was really playing within himself and doing all the things we have been hoping he would do. Not just getting good assist numbers because some hail Mary pass got to a guy who made an incredible shot with 1/2 second left on the clock.

    Bayless was making smart passes and getting the ball to guys who were in a good position to score. He managed to do this without significantly altering his own scoring numbers. The big difference was the elimination of the ten seconds of pounding the ball while he waited for his own shot to open up.

    Just like the tantalizing glimpse of what Bargnani could be, I think we saw a slip of a possible Bayless to Billips transformation. I found it intriguing to say the least. I am almost convinced to give him another year to see if it is real. he could always be traded away part way through the season if it isn't. He does have the ability to go on a streak and make big shots. Just needs to have a governor fitted to his shot selection motor.
    My thoughts exactly. Sums it all up quite nicely.

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