Lin to the Raptors a good idea? Lin Raptors Plan B? (168)

[Soft Euro]

Why is everyone still high on Lin? His wonder week is over. He's a scrub. The only reason he is still getting significant minutes is because he sells tickets. I mean for the past 5 games or so he's been shooting like 30% and averaging like 6 TO's.

That's a bit over the top; if I include the last two games after the five games you mention (7 games total) Lin is averaging about 15pts 3,5 reb, 7 ass, 2 stl, 0,5 blk and 3,7 to while shooting 44% from the field and 86% from the stripe.

Yes the turnovers are high, but overall his stats aren't anywhere near what you claim them to be and certainly he cannot be considered a scrub based on these stats.

You also have to take into account that he is (was) expected to do a lot for New York, he had a usage rate of almost 30% (4th amongst point guards, about 10th in the league).

Btw, his turnover rate is only slightly above the turnover rate of Nash, who some people want to play here next year (4th and 5th amongst pg's playing at least 20 games and 20 minutes a game).

Stats from hoopdata and nba.com

[Delonte_West]

If Lin was a black guy named DeShawn and had the exact same skill/talent as Lin, would it be a good idea? There's your answer.

this to be honest

[RPT23]

I think Lin is a feel good story and everyone had high hopes that he would turn into something like a megastar in the NBA. I could not bare to think what it would be like to wear his shoes, having the weight of a world sit on his shoulders telling him he's the best or he doesn't deserve all this praise. It's got to wear on him mentally. But I'm sure he wouldn't have it any other way. He's going through a rough time right now so how he ends the season (or makes the playoff) will definitely give some sort of indication of the type of player he is or can be. I think from that standpoint, would be better to judge if he can be part of the Toronto Raptors...

[Macc]

Why is everyone still high on Lin? His wonder week is over. He's a scrub. The only reason he is still getting significant minutes is because he sells tickets. I mean for the past 5 games or so he's been shooting like 30% and averaging like 6 TO's.

[Agrippa]

Listen, the Knicks are not giving Lin up because of how much revenue he will generate for them. Letting him go is like giving away free money. Who knows what his worth is in free agency is, but I would imagine the Knicks get him at a fair deal Gms will approach with caution like all you mentioned. Plus, WHO THE FUCK ELSE DO THEY HAVE TO PLAY POINT GUARD. Douglas? no Davis playing more then 20 mins a game? no Shumpert is not a pg, hes more of a Barbosa type energy/ scoring guy off the bench(obviously brings different things but that was a surface comparison). Unless a giddy owner wants to create hype(maybe prokorov when he loses Dwill will offer a dumb contract. But i think Lin stays put, other teams have more to lose and the knicks need him for an a assortment of reasons.

[Apollo]

They have the right to match any offer for him.

[Bendit]

Wow, someone save this. This illustrates exactly what I was pointing out earlier. This guy has Rafer Alston disappointment written all over him.

Prime, this whole time when I was saying I would be worried about him being overpaid by the Raptors I had the full MLE in my mind. That's far too much.

If he keeps having a diminished role in NY I see him signing somewhere else with playing time/larger role (now that he has ataste of it).

[Apollo]

Nobody has his Bird rights. Thus, his market price is capped at the MLE.

If anything he's a bargain for that price.

Wow, someone save this. This illustrates exactly what I was pointing out earlier. This guy has Rafer Alston disappointment written all over him.

Prime, this whole time when I was saying I would be worried about him being overpaid by the Raptors I had the full MLE in my mind. That's far too much.

[j bean]

Flash Lin the pan.

[Prime]

I think it's soon enough to know that his market price is going to more than the Raptors should be willing to pay. I also think if he's shown enough to receive praise then he's shown enough to receive criticism.

He's not going to get the "MDA experience" in Toronto. He's more likely to get offensive coaching in close relation to that of which he received on those teams that cut him. MDA is a rarity. His style is not common place.

Nobody has his Bird rights. Thus, his market price is capped at the MLE.

If anything he's a bargain for that price.

[mcHAPPY]

I think it's soon enough to know that his market price is going to more than the Raptors should be willing to pay. I also think if he's shown enough to receive praise then he's shown enough to receive criticism.

He's not going to get the "MDA experience" in Toronto. He's more likely to get offensive coaching in close relation to that of which he received on those teams that cut him. MDA is a rarity. His style is not common place.

I think there is going to be more than one team who could give him a contract based more on his marketability off the court than his performance on the court, sadly. I definitely hope that team is not Toronto.

[ceez]

How is this thread still happening

[Apollo]

I think it's soon enough to know that his market price is going to more than the Raptors should be willing to pay. I also think if he's shown enough to receive praise then he's shown enough to receive criticism.

He's not going to get the "MDA experience" in Toronto. He's more likely to get offensive coaching in close relation to that of which he received on those teams that cut him. MDA is a rarity. His style is not common place.

[Balls of Steel]

Ok but that doesn't help validate his inability to protect the ball. If Lin was as dominate as Nash he wouldn't need to look over his should when he coughed the ball up but he's not Steve Nash or anything close to Steve Nash. Under Mike Woodson and seemingly any other coach he's met in the NBA who wasn't Mike D'Anotoni, he's needs to be greatly concerned by it.



Casey doesn't run his offense like D'Antoni. A lot more goes into MDA's coaching then telling his PG to push the ball.

Lin is nothing like Calderon. Calderon is the model for conservative, highly intelligent, highly efficient play.

I didn't say that Casey runs it like MDA, I just said that Casey likes to push the ball and run his usual dose of high screens pick and rolls. I'm not saying that their styles on offense is identical. Also, Calderon is much more experienced than Lin. I said, he reminds me of Calderon in many ways, like pass-first and occasionally shoots. Both their defense is at par. Both Lin and Calderon are half-court guys. They're both not fast and is fundamentally driven. Is Calderon better, yes. He is much older, played extensively in Europe and here. Lin is a newb but like I said, under the right tutelage and system (as witnessed in MDA's) system CAN BE VERY GOOD SOMEDAY.

[TheGloveinRapsUniform]

Ok but that doesn't help validate his inability to protect the ball. If Lin was as dominate as Nash he wouldn't need to look over his should when he coughed the ball up but he's not Steve Nash or anything close to Steve Nash. Under Mike Woodson and seemingly any other coach he's met in the NBA who wasn't Mike D'Anotoni, he's needs to be greatly concerned by it.



Casey doesn't run his offense like D'Antoni. A lot more goes into MDA's coaching then telling his PG to push the ball.

Lin is nothing like Calderon. Calderon is the model for conservative, highly intelligent, highly efficient play.

I think we need to cut the kid some slack. He played 29 games for the Warriors, at 9mins per game, in a system where there's no defense, then coming to another system where mostly attack the basket is preached. And like i said, he's style of play is very aggressive, so chances are, he will commit more turnovers. And he hasnt even gone through a full training camp and practices. I dont think he's all star material, but i think its a bit too early for us to judge what he can truly do on the court.

and whats to his advantage is him being in the spotlight, too fast too soon. because his rise was so highly celebrated, nobody will just toss him aside and consider him as a one hit wonder, at least that my opinion. Somebody will always give him a chance, just because of Linsanity.