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Jose Watch 2012: Colangelo hints Jose will not be amnestied (#46)
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SitnonDfence wrote: View PostI think hes implying that you have to go to an allstar game or have prestigious awards to be a leader... you know, kinda like Vince, Tmac and Bosh...
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themasao wrote: View PostIt would be pretty cool. It'll all depend on what kind of contract he's looking for for the last 5 years of his career.
But more importantly: how about big Val as a lifer -- à la Tim Duncan.
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Apollo wrote: View PostWhat do you question about his leadership ability in particular?
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Calderon is a leader and a class act. There are two things I question about Calderon (look for his own shot a bit more and defense) but leadership doesn't even factor on the list.
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If Calderon would take a pay cut at the end of this next season...do maybe 4 - 6 million a year, I would have no issue keeping him around. Because in that range you can justify him mentoring someone, starting when needed but also being a really solid backup. I don't think we can continue with him at 10 - 11 million though. If Calderon could accept and hold on to being the backup it would really add a lot of depth to our bench.
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j bean wrote: View PostCalderone may like being a leader but I question his leadership ability. He may want to win[who doesn't?] but has he ever won an individual award, gone to the all-star game or won anything besides his Spanish medal? His game on both ends of the court has been analyzed in great detail with some fans loving it some hating it but most are ambivalent and would accept a trade involving him. If the Raptors are on the dawn of a "golden era" I assume it will involve winning, something Jose in seven years of trying knows little about.
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Calderone may like being a leader but I question his leadership ability. He may want to win[who doesn't?] but has he ever won an individual award, gone to the all-star game or won anything besides his Spanish medal? His game on both ends of the court has been analyzed in great detail with some fans loving it some hating it but most are ambivalent and would accept a trade involving him. If the Raptors are on the dawn of a "golden era" I assume it will involve winning, something Jose in seven years of trying knows little about.
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It would be pretty cool. It'll all depend on what kind of contract he's looking for for the last 5 years of his career.
But more importantly: how about big Val as a lifer -- à la Tim Duncan.
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Toronto. It all comes down to what do you value more, paying someone to do nothing or overpaying someone to do one of the most important jobs on the floor.
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Bendit wrote: View PostThere is one difference between Mo & Jose....the contract...Mo never had the "big" contract and as I remember it the Raps were not prepared to pay the asking price for his extension. When F/agency came he got money he couldnt pass up...cannot blame him and frankly the Raptors as well. It was an amicable parting.
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I think/hope that Calderon could very well become the first Raptors lifer. If the Raps can draft/sign a young pass-first PG-of-the-future, Calderon would be a fantastic mentor and eventual backup. I could see him signing a 2-3 year extension in the $4-6M range. If the Raps couldn't get enough value for him at the trade deadline, I doubt they'd get significantly more this year.
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There is one difference between Mo & Jose....the contract...Mo never had the "big" contract and as I remember it the Raps were not prepared to pay the asking price for his extension. When F/agency came he got money he couldnt pass up...cannot blame him and frankly the Raptors as well. It was an amicable parting.
It would be terrific if Jose stayed but his current contract is a bit onerous considering what the team is doing and the new reality of a stiffer cap. This has probably been the big negative with fans who wouldnt mind to see him traded etc. If he is able to temper his money needs in the next deal we should seriously consider keeping him...at least for a couple of years say on a 3 yr extension. Or, if it is possible maybe it could be arranged to get him off the books sometime next year and get something for him in a trade to a deep playoff team and then resign him as a f/a. AFter that he would probably ready to go back to Spain when he is in the 35-36 age area and the Raps in a good place
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