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  • ceez
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    i see your MJ and raise you Fergie

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  • thead
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    Without playing too much into the hype...I see Valanciunas, in his prime, as a cross between Michael Jordan and Jesus Christ

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  • Vykis
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    Hugmenot wrote: View Post
    They both speak French.

    "Je me souviens' is the official motto of Québec and you just proved my point.


    Yes, 8-time all stars are a dime a dozen ... [/SACARSM]


    If your best counter is that you would take a HoF over a great player, then said player was great.
    Dikembe had a great personality and a big heart too and he will be a Hall of famer some day, being second all-time leader in blocks helps too

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  • Hugmenot
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    Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    i think your mixing africa up with france
    They both speak French.

    "Je me souviens' is the official motto of Québec and you just proved my point.

    Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    of the two hakeem was the only great player
    Yes, 8-time all stars are a dime a dozen ... [/SACARSM]

    Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    dikembe was a one sided defensive player who at his peak i would take the worm over 10 times out of 10 for my team
    If your best counter is that you would take a HoF over a great player, then said player was great.

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  • Vykis
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    It's hard to be a versatile defender when you're 7foot2. I still would take Mutombo over Rodman if I was starting a new team, because its much easier to build a defense around one of the greatest shot-blockers in nba history, plus Dikembes offense was far better than Rodmans

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  • Miekenstien
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    Hugmenot wrote: View Post
    Dikember Mutombo, 4-time defensive player of the year, 8-time all star (in a period the league was loaded with great centers)
    Hakeem Olajuwon, 2-time defensive player of the year, 1 MVP, 2 Finals MVP, HoF, arguably one of the 10 best players to ever play the game.

    I think people easily forget how great Mutombo and Olajuwon were as basketball players. But maybe it's the just the long English Canadian tradition of dismissing everything French.

    Je me souviens.
    i think your mixing africa up with france
    of the two hakeem was the only great player

    dikembe was a one sided defensive player who at his peak i would take the worm over 10 times out of 10 for my team

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Hugmenot wrote: View Post
    You? No!!!!

    I will be happy if he averages 7.5 points and 7.0 rebounds in 26 minutes per game in his rookie season.
    I've said 6-7 points and 6-7 rebounds would be a big deal. I would be very happy with that.

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  • Hugmenot
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I very well could be a biased homer looking through rose coloured glasses though.
    You? No!!!!

    I will be happy if he averages 7.5 points and 7.0 rebounds in 26 minutes per game in his rookie season.

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  • Hugmenot
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    thead wrote: View Post
    in his prime I see 14 - 15pts 9 - 12 boards 2 - 3 blocks

    sort of a Dikembe Olajuwon hybrid
    Dikember Mutombo, 4-time defensive player of the year, 8-time all star (in a period the league was loaded with great centers)
    Hakeem Olajuwon, 2-time defensive player of the year, 1 MVP, 2 Finals MVP, HoF, arguably one of the 10 best players to ever play the game.

    I think people easily forget how great Mutombo and Olajuwon were as basketball players. But maybe it's the just the long English Canadian tradition of dismissing everything French.

    Je me souviens.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Michel G wrote: View Post
    I don't see how you can state that JV in not an above average rebounder when he finished 2nd in both the VTB league and the Eurocup. I decided to look at his stats in both those competitions to see if there is any validity to your statement. In the last 26 games in the VTB and the Eurocup since January 3rd, JV collected 71 offensive rebound, 146 defensive, totaling 217. That averages to 8.3 rebounds per game. In those 26 games he's averaged 24.5 minutes a game (638 total minutes), so that would give him a PER 36 minutes average of 12.2 [(217/638)*36]. How is that not an above average rebounder. You guys can go through the game logs and challenge my numbers. But he looks like a fairly good rebounder to me.
    I'm glad you did go through. I agree with your assessment but did not have the time to do so.

    The only way I could possibly see the statement having even a shred of validity would be from the context he does not get as many as he should. This would be due to a young, developing man going against mature men. If you look at it from that context, then it becomes downright scary his rebounding abilities in a couple of years of maturation and training.

    I very well could be a biased homer looking through rose coloured glasses though.

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  • Michel G
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    Gorlitzer wrote: View Post
    He is not an above average rebounder.
    I don't see how you can state that JV in not an above average rebounder when he finished 2nd in both the VTB league and the Eurocup. I decided to look at his stats in both those competitions to see if there is any validity to your statement. In the last 26 games in the VTB and the Eurocup since January 3rd, JV collected 71 offensive rebound, 146 defensive, totaling 217. That averages to 8.3 rebounds per game. In those 26 games he's averaged 24.5 minutes a game (638 total minutes), so that would give him a PER 36 minutes average of 12.2 [(217/638)*36]. How is that not an above average rebounder. You guys can go through the game logs and challenge my numbers. But he looks like a fairly good rebounder to me.

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  • Puffer
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    Frankthetank wrote: View Post
    ...Very exciting for the raps to get the best prospect in europe and Asia in the last few years.
    +1000

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  • Frankthetank
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    Gorlitzer wrote: View Post
    I think we should really get a grip on our expectations for the Lithuanian. There are some serious misconceptions out there. I have lived in Europe for the past several years and have seen my share of Rytas games and Lietuva national games. These things are true, and must all be qualified with the word 'yet':

    Valanciunas is not a strong post defender. He routinely gets scorched by his check in one on one situations. His weak-side D is actually better thanks to his hustle, but even then is instincts are only decent.

    He is not an above average rebounder.

    He needs someone else to create offense for him in the pick and roll.

    He does not have a great vertical.

    He has a high foul rate in tougher matchups.

    He is also inconsistent. He'll put up big numbers one game and nearly vanish the next.

    Okay... all of these are negatives. But when I see people writing about how he'll be our defensive anchor and a rebounding machine, ... they just don't have the whole story.
    I disagree with you on rebounding. At 19 years of age he lead the VTB league, lithuanian league and was in top 5 of eurocup. So at 19 years old he's out rebounding man who make on average 250,000-500,000 year. ALso he is in the top 5 for shot blocking in all those leagues too. He's out played bigman like Jeff Adrien who plays for khimsky and played two years in the nba. Your right that he is inconsistent and that for the most part he can't create his own offense. Offensively he can rebound and he can roll very well. ALso he's developed his jump hook and shoots a high percentage with the hook. I've watched about 20 games that JV's played and he's quite consistent when he doesn't get himself in foul trouble. Strength will certainly help him hold his position and be more consistent on the defensive end so not to get himself into foul trouble. Very exciting for the raps to get the best prospect in europe and Asia in the last few years.

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  • RAPresenting
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    I'm not worried about JV's post scoring in year one. He's gonna get his points from pick n rolls, offensive rebounds and from the free throw line. Expecting a back to the back post threat at 19 years of age isn't reasonable. How many quality players are even in the league with that style of game? Bogut, Jefferson and Pau would be the very good ones that come to mind with other players like D12 and Bynum getting better at it. As long as he's working his tail off I think he'll have a positive affect on the floor and he's got time to develop in those other areas.

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  • Puffer
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    slaw wrote: View Post
    ...I'm pretty sure you could describe Anthony Davis' offensive game in the exact same way. He has little to no low post game and no jumper.

    True from the games I saw.

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