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  • mcHAPPY
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    slaw wrote: View Post
    Two points:

    In defense of Casey's Noah comment, his point was that the worst case scenario for JV, in his prime, would be Noah. A lot of people will take it to mean Casey thinks JV will be Noah in his rookie year. This is patently stupid and ridiculous on its face but, of course, when JV doesn't put up Shaq-like numbers in year one, you'll have people throwing this quote around like morons.

    Still, as Koreen notes, the Raps have no one but themselves to blame for the outsized expectations. Same thing happened when they drafted Derozan and Colangelo was comparing him to Vince Carter and Air Canada 2 and all that nonsense. I realize they need to sell tickets and generate interest but enough is enough. Let's stop this nonsense at least until he plays a single minute....
    There is a definite balance between creating excitement for fans/instilling confidence in your players and creating unrealistic expectations for your fans/unreachable goals for your players.

    BC has definitely not mastered that balance.

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  • slaw
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I have to agree. I expect big things from him but in my opinion a 20 year old rookie when the season starts next year who gives you 6-7 points and 6-7 rebounds is a big deal. I have a feeling many will be disappointed with anything less than 15 points and 10 rebounds.
    Two points:

    In defense of Casey's Noah comment, his point was that the worst case scenario for JV, in his prime, would be Noah. A lot of people will take it to mean Casey thinks JV will be Noah in his rookie year. This is patently stupid and ridiculous on its face but, of course, when JV doesn't put up Shaq-like numbers in year one, you'll have people throwing this quote around like morons.

    Still, as Koreen notes, the Raps have no one but themselves to blame for the outsized expectations. Same thing happened when they drafted Derozan and Colangelo was comparing him to Vince Carter and Air Canada 2 and all that nonsense. I realize they need to sell tickets and generate interest but enough is enough. Let's stop this nonsense at least until he plays a single minute....

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  • mcHAPPY
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    The Jonas Valanciunas hype machine can’t stop and won’t stop

    Eric Koreen May 2, 2012 – 1:02 PM ET | Last Updated: May 2, 2012 1:25 PM

    The fifth pick in the 2011 NBA Draft, who turns 20 on Sunday, is the greatest hope for a long-term turnaround for the Toronto Raptors

    It is possible that expectations might be getting a little out of hand for the arrival of Jonas Valanciunas.

    The fifth pick in the 2011 NBA Draft, who turns 20 on Sunday, is the greatest hope for a long-term turnaround for the Toronto Raptors. After sitting through rather hopeless seasons of 22 and 23 wins, everybody associated with the team is setting the bar at playoff berth next year. The arrival of Valanciunas is supposed to be a key reason why.

    A problem: Rookies rarely blossom right away, especially rookie big men. (Some exceptions, to varying degrees: Tim Duncan, Amar’e Stoudemire and Pau Gasol.) Beyond Gasol, it has proven very difficult for European big men to get acclimated immediately to the NBA game, especially if they are expected to patrol the paint instead of operating on the perimeter.

    And yet, the Raptors continue to hype up Valanciunas. For one, there is the half-hour television special on Valanciunas that is on a virtual loop on team-owned NBA TV Canada. As well, there are the quotes that continue to pile up in praise of the Lithuanian centre.

    • “I don’t care if the guy is from outer space, because you can’t find a lot of big guys that can run the floor, are athletic with great hands, dives down the lane, finishes at the rim.” – Dwane Casey, June 23, 2011

    • “This pick is going to be one where people look back and say that was the right guy.” – Bryan Colangelo, June 23, 2011

    • “Clearly there were players on the board that would have yielded instant gratification, or more potential instant gratification. But this is about a long-term pick, and it clearly is the right long-term pick.” –Colangelo, December 2011

    • “To have a 7-footer like that with that kind of personality is unusual. Usually 7-footers and big men are reserved. But this kid shows a lot of energy, is a great leader on the court. He plays with a lot of enthusiasm.” – Ed Stefanski, December 2011

    • “Valanciunas is a different story. I truly believe his experience is going to have him a step ahead of any rookie we bring in. I really think he’s played against men in Europe. He’s going to be a step ahead.” –Casey, April 27, 2012

    • “I saw him last summer with the Lithuanian national team and the Euro games in the championships — big-time energy, runs the floor, rebounds. At the worst, we’re getting a Joakim Noah from Chicago — a guy who mans the middle, challenged a little bit in terms of scoring in the paint but as far as of pick-and-rolling to the basket, he has great hands to roll and finish.” –Casey on Prime Time Sports, April 30, 2012

    In fairness, the Raptors have been trying to counter the praise with some realism.

    “Young players take time to figure it all out, what the nuances of the NBA are all about,” Colangelo said last week. “He’ll be fine. But we’re not going to force feed anything. I’m not going to tell coach he’s got to play him so many minutes, not going to say he’s got to start.”

    If and when Valanciunas struggles to start his career, the Raptors are going to have to double down on such reminders. And if the Raptors complain about outsized expectations, do not forget to have a good, long laugh.


    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...and-wont-stop/
    I have to agree. I expect big things from him but in my opinion a 20 year old rookie when the season starts next year who gives you 6-7 points and 6-7 rebounds is a big deal. I have a feeling many will be disappointed with anything less than 15 points and 10 rebounds.

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  • knzyti
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    From what I've seen/heard he has two important qualities that are intrinsic that will be respected in the NBA and most importantly with the Raptors management, coaches teammates and fans. The ability to step out of his shoes and realisticaly look at his development (maturity & inteligence) "I'm not ready for the NBA" and (part of this) is to enjoy himself and have a great presence and future influence on the team.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    i could see him almost posting up a double double in his rookie season.
    He would be in select company considering only 8 guys did that this year in the entire league.

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  • white men can't jump
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    joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Joakim put up 6pts, 5rpg and a block as a rookie.
    Chandler put up 6pts, 5rpg and just over a block as a rookie.

    I'm not sure comparing Jonas to either of those guys is putting undue pressure on him.
    Matching their rookie campaigns should be easy.

    However, I bet if he "only" puts up 6 and 6, I imagine we'll get some people calling for his head.
    I agree, this is not a lot of pressure. Frankly I think he can be better than either one given his higher offensive potential. Shit, his FT shooting alone should make a big difference.

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  • Sig
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    joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Joakim put up 6pts, 5rpg and a block as a rookie.
    Chandler put up 6pts, 5rpg and just over a block as a rookie.

    I'm not sure comparing Jonas to either of those guys is putting undue pressure on him.
    Matching their rookie campaigns should be easy.

    However, I bet if he "only" puts up 6 and 6, I imagine we'll get some people calling for his head.
    This. A million times this.

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  • Nilanka
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    Rainman wrote: View Post
    He just needs a teacher? It's not like he just came from high school, he spent 3 yrs under Calhoun. He had way more teaching then simply AAU.
    Yeah, and he was a pretty good point guard under Calhoun, until his final year, where he was asked to take on the scorer's role out of necessity.

    Regardless, Calhoun can only do so much to prepare someone for life in the NBA.

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  • Rainman
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    Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I still think that Walker would've been a good fit here. I wouldn't mind taking a run at him this offseason. He could still turn into that "PG of the future" while learning from a guy like Calderon. The talent is most definitely there. He just needs a teacher.
    He just needs a teacher? It's not like he just came from high school, he spent 3 yrs under Calhoun. He had way more teaching then simply AAU.

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  • NoPropsneeded
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    i wouldn't be surprised if we see Jay Bay resigned for next season. Maybe all those games of Jose he watched when he was injured inspired him

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  • Nilanka
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    joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    One could argue the same points about Bayless, with Bayless having a bit more size to offer.
    The difference is that Bayless has had 2 years to study two of the best "pure" PG's in the game (Paul and Calderon).

    I don't know if one year of DJ Augustin provided the same opportunity for Walker.

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  • Joey
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    Nilanka wrote: View Post
    The talent is most definitely there. He just needs a teacher.
    One could argue the same points about Bayless, with Bayless having a bit more size to offer.

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  • Bendit
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    Re his offensive/j shooting improvement....he has a great FT shooting %. Good ft players are typically predisposed to being decent jump shooters. It'll come. When he starts it will be his energy and protecting the paint which will stand out I think.

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  • Nilanka
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    CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Makes me wonder where all the Ed O'Bannan... oops, I mean Kemba Walker fans are?! Provided we fans give JV time to acclimate himself to the NBA, I think we'll all wind up feeling quite pleased with him as the #5 pick in the 2011 draft! I only hope that he proves to be more of a legitimate franchise cornerstone to build around than DeRozan/Davis have shown to be.
    I still think that Walker would've been a good fit here. I wouldn't mind taking a run at him this offseason. He could still turn into that "PG of the future" while learning from a guy like Calderon. The talent is most definitely there. He just needs a teacher.

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  • Nilanka
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    A few points:

    - Just 2 years ago, Chandler was basically a backup centre on a mediocre Charlotte team. Now, people talk about him like he's a 7-time defensive player of the year. Funny how quickly careers can change.

    - I don't think anyone will be calling for JV's head next year, unless he does his best impression of Araujo. DeRozan's rookie year was VERY uninspiring for a lotto pick, yet most people realized that patience was required.

    - Casey seemed to be referencing JV's work from last year. He probably hasn't seen much of JV's work this season with Rytas. It's possible that JV has improved his offense since Casey was last able to evaluate him.

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