Raptors 2012-13 Starting SF, poll 2.0

[CalgaryRapsFan]

Harrington is a bad contract in my opinion.

Afflalo is solid but in the same category of Fields if we are talking overpaid contracts.

The Nuggets have all their own 1st round picks plus the Knicks in 2014 and 2016 and a load of 2nd round picks (minus their own in 2013 and 2015).

When I first heard that it would be Afflalo & Harrington for Iggy, I assumed they'd have to include more 'filler'... it wasn't until I tried the rumored trade in ESPN's Trade Machine that I realized just how much both Nuggets players were being paid! I think they're both overpaid, so it's a great deal for Denver to unload them (especially given how long they are signed for too) for Iggy. Denver is a good, young, deep team, that needed that one proven veteran star player. As you mentioned, they also have a bunch of draft picks to include, without completely mortgaging their future.

Uriji has done a fantastic job as their GM, IMO, just based on this trade, the 'Melo trade, the Nene trade and the other minor moves he's made.

[mcHAPPY]

I'm guessing Orlando is more interested in the draft picks, which the Raptors couldn't offer as a result of the Lowry deal.

Now if the Raptors could trade Calderon & Amir/Davis for a 1st round pick in a separate deal...

Plus Philly is also allegedly giving up both Afflalo & Harrington, potentially on top of draft pick(s)... I think that's a pretty high/fair price to pay for Iggy, who would essentially replace Afflalo straight-up, while Faried/Randolph make Harrington expendable.

Harrington is a bad contract in my opinion.

Afflalo is solid but in the same category of Fields if we are talking overpaid contracts.

The Nuggets have all their own 1st round picks plus the Knicks in 2014 and 2016 and a load of 2nd round picks (minus their own in 2013 and 2015).

[CalgaryRapsFan]

Interesting.

I wonder if the Raptors could have been a factor without the Fields contract on the books.

I'm guessing Orlando is more interested in the draft picks, which the Raptors couldn't offer as a result of the Lowry deal.

Now if the Raptors could trade Calderon & Amir/Davis for a 1st round pick in a separate deal...

Plus Philly is also allegedly giving up both Afflalo & Harrington, potentially on top of draft pick(s)... I think that's a pretty high/fair price to pay for Iggy, who would essentially replace Afflalo straight-up, while Faried/Randolph make Harrington expendable.

[ReubenJRD]

Interesting.

I wonder if the Raptors could have been a factor without the Fields contract on the books.

Ugh. Iguodala WITHOUT giving up any of our assets? That is very interesting..

[mcHAPPY]

Orlando, Los Angeles and Philadelphia had discussed a three-way deal, but needed a fourth team to take Iguodala and also provide Orlando with the neccessary future draft picks, sources said. Denver joined the talks in the past week, sources said.

Philadelphia traded its 2013 pick to the Miami Heat, and the Lakers sent two future picks to the Phoenix Suns in the Steve Nash sign-and-trade deal. For Denver, the question could become, how many draft picks are they willing to send to Orlando for Iguodala?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--la...d-to-l-a-.html

Interesting.

I wonder if the Raptors could have been a factor without the Fields contract on the books.

[DoNDaDDa]

if BC is that interested in a starting 3 he should give Indiana a call about Granger...if they want to match the Hibbert offer, Granger would be the logical 1 to move if they wanted cap space..

[torch19]

Obviously they still need to find a backup PG.

That would be the tricky part. Assuming that Nash signs, at age 38, although he would have a significant impact on the Raptors line-up, you would have to at least question his durability and the probability that he might sit out a game or 2, here and there. (back to back games, for example)

Having a good back up as well as the 3rd string point is as important as the other needs. I'm not saying Bayless is the answer because the man has been injured every year as far as I remember.

It would be nice to see that sort of line-up but I'm not sure what Philly is going to do with regards to Iguodala.

To answer the OP, I still would like to see Wilson Chandler a Raptor. I'm not sure what to think about overpaying for Landry Fields, except that he is a good young rotational player.

[CalgaryRapsFan]

If Nash (S&T for Calderon) and Fields are both acquired, I would like to see the Raps go after Iguodala.

Amir & JJ & Bayless (S&T) & 2013 1st round pick (top-6 protected) --> Iggy

Philly
- gives Philly a backup PG (Bayless) and backup PF (Amir), as well as forward depth (JJ)
- an extra 1st round pick next year
- saves Philly $1.7M next season (if Bayless signs his Qualifying Offer)

Toronto
- clears up logjams at PF and wing
- uses Bayless for something useful


Toronto Lineup
C: Valanciunas, Gray
PF: Bargnani, Davis, Kleiza, Acy
SF: Iguodala, Fields, Kleiza
SG: DeRozan, Ross, Forbes
PG: Nash, ???

Starters - DeRozan is the slasher, while Iggy is the outside shooter
Backup - Fields is the slasher, while Ross is the outside shooter

Salary Cap Implications
1. Starting cap space: $12M (excluding cap holds - ie: Bayless, Weems, etc...)
2. Calderon ($10.5M) for Nash ($12M): $10.5M cap space
3. Fields ($6.7M cap hit) signing: $3.8M cap space
4. Amir ($6M) & JJ ($2.8M) & Bayless (not counted) for Iggy ($14.7M): $2.1M OVER the cap
5. Gray re-signed (approx. $3M): approx. $5M OVER the cap (roughly $7M below luxury tax threshold)


Obviously they still need to find a backup PG.

[NoPropsneeded]

Fields is playing the 3

[DaveKim]

I think BC is convinced that DD,Ross, Landry are all sg/sf and can play interchangeably. This is the only reason so far. Unless we trade DD for RGay or something in which that makes sense.

[Usagi_yo_Jimbo]

Daaaamn! 36mil for Nash, 20mil for Feilds. What the fuck is goin on!?!? I know its prolly part of the plan to get Nash but that just seems kinda retarded, now we have a log-jam at the wing position with Jjohnson as the only real SF...is it just me or has colangelo completely lost it?

[Rjp981]

Starting at SF for the Knicks could have been more due to a need than anything else really. Same as Demar potentially starting for us even though he's a 2

[mcHAPPY]

Fields started 17 games at SF last year for NY according to ESPN player profile stat splits.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits.../landry-fields

[Rjp981]

Picking up Fields is nothing more than a move to get Nash away from the Knicks imo. I wouldn't be for this deal at all if Nash coming wasn't a good possibility. Unless we get rid of Demar for a 3...that would be clutch.

[Rjp981]

The biggest thing here is not reaching on someone we aren't crazy about. I'm not a huge Ilyasova fan because I see him as more of a 4 and 10m/year isn't cheap. The thought of Kirilenko for 10m is borderline outrageous also, he isn't worth 2/3 of that at this point. Deng and Chandler would both me great fits at reasonable prices but definitely not worth overpaying for them. Batum unfortunately would be the best choice but I've lost all hope for that. Unless we find a great deal, I wouldn't mind sitting on what we have for another season (Ross and Demar splitting time with Linas and JJ) and drafting a replacement.