Johnson A Possible Amnesty Cut?

[charlz]

Things slow down.They have to write something. Can't see this happening

+1 yes.

this is just a glorified blog hack looking up and down salary of Raps and throwing darts in the dark.

[Apollo]

I'm trying to understand why Jose's expiring contract has value to some other team. but not to the Raptors? Can someone help me out? Am I that dense. Don't be kind, feed me the truth.

Because the Raptors aren't fighting to stay below the tax threshold. They don't need cap relief next year. All cap relief will do for them is reduce their payroll number closer to the salary cap. It won't reduce their payroll to the point that they can be free agent buyers next off-season, not to accomplish anything significant that they couldn't do with the MLE. If they can't be buyers with the expiring contract and they're not fighting the tax threshold then who is his expiring deal benefiting? Not you the fan when his deal runs out and he potentially leaves free.

[CalgaryRapsFan]

I'm trying to understand why Jose's expiring contract has value to some other team. but not to the Raptors? Can someone help me out? Am I that dense. Don't be kind, feed me the truth.

The way I've read comments about the value of Calderon's expiring contract, is specifically why other teams would value him, not only other teams though. Some teams would value Calderon just for what he offers on the court - veteran leadership, pass first PG, team player. Other teams might like the idea of dropping a big long-term contract for an expiring one, to clear cap space for next offseason.

I think the Raptors see value for both reasons, or the idea of keeping him and re-signing him beyond next season, for much cheaper.

[Apollo]

If amnesting Amir leads to the Raptors landing a really good piece then I'm sold. Just look at it as Amir were part of the trade. Essentially he would be as the trade could not happen in this scenario without him leaving the books.

[Puffer]

I'm trying to understand why Jose's expiring contract has value to some other team. but not to the Raptors? Can someone help me out? Am I that dense. Don't be kind, feed me the truth.

[mountio]

I wasn't trying to offend, or to be sarcastic, I was just stating my impression from your post.

I didnt take offense .. just pointing out that its kind of silly to try to discredit someone's opinion by saying "its too absolute" or "they dont know what conversations BC is having" .. because of course both of those things are true.

If you have a difference of opinion and want to express why .. Im game for that .. but saying I dont know what Im talking about or my opinions arent valid because Im not privy to BC's conversations doesnt make a lot of sense to me ..

[Miekenstien]

I find your talk in "absolutes" to be off base. To say he has no value is way too much of a polarizing statement. Of course he has value, we just aren't privy to the conversations BC and Ed have behind closed doors.

ok .. sorry, Ill make it more PC. There is a very low probability that other NBA teams are willing to trade assets for either Jose or Amir given their contracts. Having said that, Im a guy on a message board and havent been involved in BC's conversations, so of course I dont know for sure (nor does anyone else).

Better?

If we only spoke about things that we knew to be absolutely true .. RR would be a pretty dull place ..

only a sith deals in absolutes.

to say that jose has no value is wrong. even if "he" had no value his 10 million expiring that could save a team the poison of being 1 year over the cap is very valuable. he is a strong fundamental pg who takes care of the ball and runs a very low mistake offense. there is a lot of value in that.

amir also has value but unfortunately there are a lot of players of his ilk in the league right now. so many athletic skinny 4/5s in the league that every team has at least one if not two of them.

to say that "jose has no value" is more than "not absolutely true" it is a complete fallacy. like if a baby falls twenty stories and i say he almost made it. although not absolutely true it's pretty far from it

[stretch]

Pfft, I don't believe it.

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[10 000 Hours]

ok .. sorry, Ill make it more PC. There is a very low probability that other NBA teams are willing to trade assets for either Jose or Amir given their contracts. Having said that, Im a guy on a message board and havent been involved in BC's conversations, so of course I dont know for sure (nor does anyone else).

Better?

If we only spoke about things that we knew to be absolutely true .. RR would be a pretty dull place ..

I wasn't trying to offend, or to be sarcastic, I was just stating my impression from your post.

[10 000 Hours]

I totally agree that people would pick up Jose (or Amir) off of waivers. Im not saying they arent quality NBA players - both guys are. BUT - there is a big differnce between being a quality NBA player and being someone who, considering their contract, teams are willing to trade assets for.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Amir is a good player. I'm only saying that he has value and that BC could get something of equal value in return.

[Eric Akshinthala]

The only plus for Amir is his age. He is a good reserve who is terribly over paid. I think it'll be more difficult to trade his contract than Jose's(also over paid but a more valuable player}. Knowing Colangelo's trading skills, I can't see why he can't trade either but Amir rather be amnestied than Jose.

[CalgaryRapsFan]

I totally agree that people would pick up Jose (or Amir) off of waivers. Im not saying they arent quality NBA players - both guys are. BUT - there is a big differnce between being a quality NBA player and being someone who, considering their contract, teams are willing to trade assets for.

Gotcha. I think that's precisely why Calderon wasn't dealt at the trade deadline last year. I bet there was lots of interest, but no offers that BC liked more than just keeping Calderon. I agree that the only way Amir gets dealt is for an equally iffy contract or as part of a package for a much higher priced player.

[mountio]

I agree, especially with Calderon. He's a veteran pass-first PG who makes his teammates better, who's on an expiring contract. I'd be willing to bet there would be many offers to pick him up off waivers, should he be amnestied. I think he'll either be used in a trade for a high-priced SF (ie: Gay, Iggy), or kept as a backup PG. If Lowry/Calderon work well this season, I could even see him being re-signed for $4-6M per season for 1-3 more years (perhaps 1 with multiple team option years).

I'm not so high on my expectations for Amir's trade value, given how many years has body has taken NBA abuse (offsets his young age - makes it all relative), a past season where he regressed and a $6M contract that increases by $0.5M each of the next two years. I guess it's more likely that Davis is traded and Amir is kept, unless he's need for trade salary filler. I think amnesty would be a last ditch option, only when BC is desperate for the $6M cap space it would provide.

I totally agree that people would pick up Jose (or Amir) off of waivers. Im not saying they arent quality NBA players - both guys are. BUT - there is a big differnce between being a quality NBA player and being someone who, considering their contract, teams are willing to trade assets for.

[CalgaryRapsFan]

I find your talk in "absolutes" to be off base. To say he has no value is way too much of a polarizing statement. Of course he has value, we just aren't privy to the conversations BC and Ed have behind closed doors.

I agree, especially with Calderon. He's a veteran pass-first PG who makes his teammates better, who's on an expiring contract. I'd be willing to bet there would be many offers to pick him up off waivers, should he be amnestied. I think he'll either be used in a trade for a high-priced SF (ie: Gay, Iggy), or kept as a backup PG. If Lowry/Calderon work well this season, I could even see him being re-signed for $4-6M per season for 1-3 more years (perhaps 1 with multiple team option years).

I'm not so high on my expectations for Amir's trade value, given how many years has body has taken NBA abuse (offsets his young age - makes it all relative), a past season where he regressed and a $6M contract that increases by $0.5M each of the next two years. I guess it's more likely that Davis is traded and Amir is kept, unless he's need for trade salary filler. I think amnesty would be a last ditch option, only when BC is desperate for the $6M cap space it would provide.

[mountio]

I find your talk in "absolutes" to be off base. To say he has no value is way too much of a polarizing statement. Of course he has value, we just aren't privy to the conversations BC and Ed have behind closed doors.

ok .. sorry, Ill make it more PC. There is a very low probability that other NBA teams are willing to trade assets for either Jose or Amir given their contracts. Having said that, Im a guy on a message board and havent been involved in BC's conversations, so of course I dont know for sure (nor does anyone else).

Better?

If we only spoke about things that we knew to be absolutely true .. RR would be a pretty dull place ..