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  • Pill
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    I dont think his stock rises but if he gets through the Olympics without injury he will actually be trade-able. History yada yada.

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  • theycallmeZZ
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    Spain loses to Russia 77-74


    Calderon
    24min
    1/3 M/A
    3 Ast
    2pts

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  • Bendit
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    Nilanka wrote: View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fws9ENCSheU

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  • mountio
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    Nice game for Jose today .. 19 pts, 4 boards, 1 assist .. leading scorer in a barely squeaked out win vs great britain ...

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  • Nilanka
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    "Another game for MILOS!!!!"

    https://twitter.com/josemcalderon8/s...469440/photo/1

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  • mountio
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    ceez wrote: View Post
    theres more ball movement in fiba ball, its rare for players to have gaudy assist numbers.
    Not sure about that .. two guys had 9 and 7 for lithuania today .. Deng has 8 through 33 mins .. when you consider the 40 minute game .. these numbers seem pretty in line with the NBA, where you only see the odd double digit assist game (in 48 mins)

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  • ceez
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    theres more ball movement in fiba ball, its rare for players to have gaudy assist numbers.

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  • mountio
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    4 n 3 for Jose .. not exactly lightin things up here ..

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  • theycallmeZZ
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    Watching the AUS-ESP game and while they were showing some closeups, I saw that Jose has some stitches on his eye.


    Eye injury from a few months ago still bothering him?

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  • Mapko
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    10 000 Hours wrote: View Post
    I would think that is playing a role for sure. I know I wouldn't want Calderon until after the Olympics are finished. You get to see him playing with good players (sorry Raptors) and make sure he's healthy. Seems like a prudent business move to me.
    Good point. Also after last Olympics, we needed Jose to play major minutes. Not the case this time.
    WRT injury -I don't see a problem if he is tired after the Olympics. He won't need to play a lot anyways.
    In a dream scenario Jose in final vs US makes Spain look good & take it to the wire. Jose's value skyrockets.
    IMO DoNDaDDa makes some excellent point. Lets look at what Jose does positive. He is likely to lead a very good Spanish national team to a medal. In addition, this year he will be a backup, meaning facing (playing D) against second stringers where his D won't be as nearly as bad & he can shine more on offence (pick & roll with Amir & Val...).
    I don't see Bulls as a good fit currently. NO & Sac maybe. I don't see Jimmer as a PG. IMO he might be a slightly more effective JJ Redick off the bench.
    T Wolves -I am not sure what they have. There does not seem to be a long term plan/commitment.
    In the end, I don't think Raps have to do anything with Jose now. Maybe in Feb, IFF a good team gets an injury to its starter. Worse case scenario, we have an expiring contract next year.

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  • golden
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    mountio wrote: View Post
    Looks like a solid .. but nothing overly special 12 and 3 for Jose ..

    As to the trade rumours .. can we please stop talking about Jose for [insert all-star/borderline all star player]? We will get a late first rounder or 2nd rounder (the same thing we could have got at best if we traded him last year) if we are lucky. We just about amnestied him.

    If we get an AI or RG in a trade, it wont be because Jose impresses someone in the olympics .. it will be because of what else we include in the deal (think DD, young assets or picks)
    I think we should hold onto Jose until the trade deadline, when his value would be highest - definitely higher than last year because:

    1. He would only cost the acquring team less than 1/2 year of salary to clear $10M of salary cap. Not 1.5yrs of salary, like last season. Not a small number, in terms of salary paid or cap flexibility.
    2. As people pointed out, the CBA changes make it even tougher to preserve trade/cap flexibility going forward (e.g. S&Ts)
    3. The Jose amnesty situation was only considered in the context of the going-all-in for Nash, and even so, that would have been a last resort.
    4. Inevitably there will be injuries and playoff bound teams are always looking to shore up at the trade deadline, especially at PG. Jose would be an awesome rent-a-player for the stretch run and playoffs. Way better than, say, Derrick Fisher for OKC last year.
    5. This year's draft is supposedly weaker than last year, which means a late first rounder this year should be equal to a mid-first rounder next year, or something like that.
    6. The Knicks always implode and make a desperation trade out of overreaction. Jose has some similarities to Nash, and would fit perfectly onto that roster.

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  • mountio
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    +1

    Regarding the bold section I would only add the pill might be easier to swallow if the team was under performing or just bad. No one likes to spend top dollar for a loser.
    Agreed .. which is more likely in Philly from my perspective (barring significant injury to probably both of Gasol and Randolph .. since Memphis showed a pretty decent ability to weather injuries to Zach last year).

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  • TheGloveinRapsUniform
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Less cap space next summer as he would either: a) have a huge cap hold or b) create less cap space with whatever new contract was.

    It would be nice if they could trade him and use the MLE to sign him next summer - assuming the contract coming back in the trade is desirable and caps the Raps out.
    Thanks for the info.

    Could it also be that they havent traded him because Jose might be considering going back to Europe and playing for a European team and get him closer to home? Does his family live in the north america?

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  • mcHAPPY
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    TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    What would be the implications if the Raptors keep Jose, let his contract expire and sign him to a much cheaper contract?
    Less cap space next summer as he would either: a) have a huge cap hold or b) create less cap space with whatever new contract was.

    It would be nice if they could trade him and use the MLE to sign him next summer - assuming the contract coming back in the trade is desirable and caps the Raps out.

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  • TheGloveinRapsUniform
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    What would be the implications if the Raptors keep Jose, let his contract expire and sign him to a much cheaper contract?

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