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Raptor PG Controversy: Part 3
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Through out Jose's tenure with the Raptors it has seemed to me that while he has always been an ultimate selfless team player, there's a limit to his tolerance. It happened when Ford was here, not so much with Jack and now with Lowry. One thing that Jose has always shown is that no matter how he feels about something inside, he never lets it affect his performance and therefore the teams performance on the Court. In other words "a true professional". Is Jose unhappy about Lowrys acquisition? Maybe not as much as the Media paints the picture but the answer clearly is 'Yes'. Does this mean that it will affect our on Court showing? Going by his past we can conclude that the answer is 'No'.
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Miekenstien wrote: View Posti agree it has a chance to be, but i will wait and see before saying they are better than ford/jose. i thought ford/jose was a fantastic duo. lowry/jose has the chance to be even better with a little less offense and a lot more defensive potential. poor tj ford
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Sheptor wrote: View PostLowry and Calderon is the best PG Combination in Raptors History!
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Lowry and Calderon is the best PG Combination in Raptors History!
I think Calderon is coming around to that fact and its one of the strongest in the league as well. Calderon is interested in 3 things (Money which he is making, Starting which has been taken, and Playoffs which he has a good chance of making.) I think money i.e locking down a contract after this season and Playoffs are whats most important if he really had to choose. Jose would not want to start on an inferior team to the raptors when he sees the makings of a playoff team here. Keep in mind players see the league through different eyes then us fans and Im sure the Raptors team with the roster all but solidified are saying PLAYOFFS! Toronto is also his most likely destination for a re-sign. If we make 6-8th bounce out of the first rd or by some miracle advance or at least play well, its likely we keep our duo together for next year and offer Jose 3 yrs 18 mil range maybe and let him retire a Raptor, fuck we might retire his Jersey....anyway there is no controversy here.
We should be looking at our PF controversy (Bargnani, Johnson, Davis, Acy)
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j bean wrote: View PostThe source was Colangelo who said clearly on more than one occasion that Calderóne was very upset with the KL signing.
Now you really just read between the lines, but it only takes someone to read your post and read between your lines and think "Jose hates the trade", then someone reads that and that leads to "JOSE HATES CANADA"...now all that may be in fact true, but Jose has been nothing but professional and I would expect nothing less this season. I imagine all he wants is to be a starter but once he's in Raptors training camp it will be the usual "All I want to do is help the team win" quotes from him.
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Calderone's role as the starter for this team has come and gone.
To let him think he has a chance to compete for that isn't fair to him.
JL3rd can backup KL. Just for chemistry Jose should be moved as soon as possible
I expect Lowry to be the starting PG come the beginning of the season. You don't give up a lottery pick for a guy who was disgruntled about being a back up (another irony in this saga) and then proceed to make him a back up.
But Jose is the epitome of what this 'culture' change is all about.... yet some fans are so quick to throw him under the bus.
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j bean wrote: View PostSaying agents make trade requests without the instruction of the player is like saying your agent put your house up for sale on his own.
Saying agents make trade requests without the instruction of the player is like saying you commissioned an agent to sell your house, paid him, and he never bothered to list the house.
I'm not saying it is not a possibility Jose demanded the trade but I think the possibility is greater the agent is pushing an agenda he thinks is in Jose's best interests..... cause that is what he is paid to do.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostI wouldn't be so sure of that.
Clients often follow the lead of their agents because they deal with numerous teams and often act on behave of numerous other players. Negotiations and conflict resolutions are what they are paid to do.
Same idea as people buying a house, they often follow the advice of the agent because they do it for a living and have much more experience in the nuances of buying a house.
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CT2010 wrote: View PostI think I would be more concerned if Jose wasn't upset that someone had been hired to take his job. The guy plays his ass off at all times and has been a great team player since day one. I feel that he has put the team ahead of personal success over and over and in return he has been traded once, been the repeated talk of trade speculation, had 3 over PG's hired to take over. Jose is a competitive guy and wants to play and help the team. I think he will continue to show the same character that he always has going forward regardless of his role.
The reality is barring injury and/or trade to another team this season, Jose is a backup. Too many more talented or young point guards on rebuilding teams out there and not enough teams. For teams that are a possibility of him starting, then you have to factor in the CBA and the means that team would have of actually acquiring him - other than after a buyout. Look through the league:
Atlanta: Teague/Harris
Boston: Rondo
Brooklyn: Williams
Charlotte: Walker/Sessions
Cleveland: Irving
Chicago: Rose (injured to start year)
Detroit: Knight
Indiana: Hill/Augustin
Miami: could definitely start but CBA factors in
Milwaukee: Jennings
New York: Felton/Kidd
Orlando: Nelson
Philadelphia: Holiday
Washington: Wall
Dallas: Collison
Denver: Lawson/Miller
Golden State: Curry
Houston: Lin
Clippers: Paul
Lakers: Nash
Memphis: Conley
Minnesota: Rubio/Ridnour
New Orleans: could definitely start
OKC: Westbrook
Phoenix: Dragic
Portland: Lillard
Sacramento: Brooks/Thomas
San Antonio: Parker
Utah: Williams
Once CBA rules and team assets are factored in, it seems pretty clear Jose's best option is to stick it out in Toronto and work his tail off to secure his next NBA contract using the MLE.
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j bean wrote: View PostThe source was Colangelo who said clearly on more than one occasion that Calderóne was very upset with the KL signing.
I've read in numerous tweets and HoopsHype.com bits that the agent was the one publicly "through sources" pushing the trade demand/talk.
Colangelo did say initially they would do what they could to find a mutually agreeable solution that benefited both parties.
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j bean wrote: View PostAgents don't make trade requests without instruction from their client.
Clients often follow the lead of their agents because they deal with numerous teams and often act on behave of numerous other players. Negotiations and conflict resolutions are what they are paid to do.
Same idea as people buying a house, they often follow the advice of the agent because they do it for a living and have much more experience in the nuances of buying a house.
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j bean wrote: View PostThe source was Colangelo who said clearly on more than one occasion that Calderóne was very upset with the KL signing.
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The source was Colangelo who said clearly on more than one occasion that Calderóne was very upset with the KL signing.
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