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  • Mapko
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Totally disagree with all of those teams but that aside the main thing is at this point in time I am not sure if any of those teams would have means to acquire him now. Next summer in free agency would be a different story but he'd be a backup on majority of teams as well.
    True. Not now, but at trade deadline the value of contract will be significantly less & thus easier to complete a trade.
    Also more teams with deep playoff aspirations might "pop up" looking for a backup;
    Injuries to starters (Eg Rose...)

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  • ReubenJRD
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    You very well could be right and I hope you are. Personally, I do think you are.

    I'm just going to wait from anointing the best point guard duo in Raptor history until Lowry has played a few games.
    It's only going to be the best point guard duo if Calderon chooses to stay, and Lowry just continues to put in work like he has been so far in his career.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    RaptorReuben wrote: View Post


    I do remember that, and yes he was a very good player, credit is deserved, and we wouldn't have had the success without him.

    Lowry has never played a game with Toronto, but from what I saw in Houston I just think he is the better player and will only continue to get better. Just my opinion, and that is your opinion.

    He is better than Jack I agree, but I also believe he is better than Ford and Calderon in ways, mostly defensively and the all-around game. Especially transitioning into a defensive system/team, he has the potential to be the better player for the Raptors as well.
    You very well could be right and I hope you are. Personally, I do think you are.

    I'm just going to wait from anointing the best point guard duo in Raptor history until Lowry has played a few games.

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  • ReubenJRD
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Ford was a pretty good player before the 2nd stinger received from Horford. I'm not sure you are giving him proper credit but that is your prerogative.

    I'm basing my opinion on pre-Horford.... not after.

    Also, Lowry has never played a game for the Raptors. The only PG I feel no doubt about it, 100% confident he is better than in the group of Ford, Jack, and Calderon is Jack.


    I do remember that, and yes he was a very good player, credit is deserved, and we wouldn't have had the success without him.

    Lowry has never played a game with Toronto, but from what I saw in Houston I just think he is the better player and will only continue to get better. Just my opinion, and that is your opinion.

    He is better than Jack I agree, but I also believe he is better than Ford and Calderon in ways, mostly defensively and the all-around game. Especially transitioning into a defensive system/team, he has the potential to be the better player for the Raptors as well.
    Last edited by ReubenJRD; Tue Aug 7, 2012, 08:11 PM.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    I wouldn't argue that Ford WAS a very good PG, but than again Calderon is also a very good point guard.

    If I were to choose from Lowry, Jack and Ford, it would by far be Lowry. Even though, I'm not gonna lie, I was a big fan of Jarrett Jack when he was here, loved his leadership, his chemistry, and the intensity, but he was turnover prone. Ford was a true scoring guard, his penetration always got guys like Parker, Delfino and co. great open shots, but he tried to go outside of the box too often.

    I will say that I should speak for myself in terms of the original post, but in my opinion, I just feel he is a better point guard/player than Ford and Jack.
    Ford was a pretty good player before the 2nd stinger received from Horford. I'm not sure you are giving him proper credit but that is your prerogative.

    I'm basing my opinion on pre-Horford.... not after.

    Also, Lowry has never played a game for the Raptors. The only PG I feel no doubt about it, 100% confident he is better than in the group of Ford, Jack, and Calderon is Jack.

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  • Nilanka
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    isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    I think everyone has forgotten the most important fact when considering trading him. Who will be willing to pay him $10,000,000 this year??
    It's an expiring contract. Any team who accepts Calderon isn't thinking about his financial worth, but instead thinking about the $10 million in space they just acquired.

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  • ReubenJRD
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Ford pre injury/horford is debatable IMO.
    Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    agreed with this. ford was a very good pg.
    I wouldn't argue that Ford WAS a very good PG, but than again Calderon is also a very good point guard.

    If I were to choose from Lowry, Jack and Ford, it would by far be Lowry. Even though, I'm not gonna lie, I was a big fan of Jarrett Jack when he was here, loved his leadership, his chemistry, and the intensity, but he was turnover prone. Ford was a true scoring guard, his penetration always got guys like Parker, Delfino and co. great open shots, but he tried to go outside of the box too often.

    I will say that I should speak for myself in terms of the original post, but in my opinion, I just feel he is a better point guard/player than Ford and Jack.

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  • Miekenstien
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Ford pre injury/horford is debatable IMO.
    agreed with this. ford was a very good pg.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    People are forgetting that Kyle Lowry is an obvious upgrade compared to Jack and Ford with the constant question of 'who should start this game?'
    Ford pre injury/horford is debatable IMO.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    enlightenment wrote: View Post
    The teams I feel would be interested in Jose's services (as in he'd be an upgrade over the current PG) are:

    -Chicago
    -Detroit
    -Indiana
    -Miami
    -Milwaukee
    -New York
    -Philadelphia
    -Orlando
    -Memphis
    -New Orleans
    -Phoenix
    -Sacramento
    -Utah

    I think there should be a lot of suitors for Calderon especially since when he signs next summer it should be for less than his current 10mil contract
    Totally disagree with all of those teams but that aside the main thing is at this point in time I am not sure if any of those teams would have means to acquire him now. Next summer in free agency would be a different story but he'd be a backup on majority of teams as well.

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  • isaacthompson
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    I think everyone has forgotten the most important fact when considering trading him. Who will be willing to pay him $10,000,000 this year??

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  • ReubenJRD
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    People are forgetting that Kyle Lowry is an obvious upgrade compared to Jack and Ford with the constant question of 'who should start this game?'

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  • Bendit
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    In my view Jose's dna will not permit him to be an asshole about his role once the season starts. His demeanor after the Bobcats debacle last year convinced me of that. His big regret is probably that he did not get amnestied. He would have been snapped up by any number of teams (incl those with championship possibilities) or if he was inclined to definitely be a starter go to the Euro league. But that ship has sailed. The Raps are in good position to get something back for Jose as well as the cap space by trade deadline while having a great backup to Lowry to help with the rooks start of the year. As far as "promising" a competition for the starting pg spot...hooey...what do we expect the Raps to say publically? They want to maintain Jose's value by not immediately annointing him as a backup as well as avoid offending Jose. Lowry will be gone in f/a if he sits on the bench. There is no way BC loses his investment in him.

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  • enlightenment
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post

    Atlanta: Teague/Harris
    Boston: Rondo
    Brooklyn: Williams
    Charlotte: Walker/Sessions
    Cleveland: Irving
    Chicago: Rose (injured to start year)
    Detroit: Knight
    Indiana: Hill/Augustin
    Miami: could definitely start but CBA factors in
    Milwaukee: Jennings
    New York: Felton/Kidd
    Orlando: Nelson
    Philadelphia: Holiday
    Washington: Wall
    Dallas: Collison
    Denver: Lawson/Miller
    Golden State: Curry
    Houston: Lin
    Clippers: Paul
    Lakers: Nash
    Memphis: Conley
    Minnesota: Rubio/Ridnour
    New Orleans: could definitely start
    OKC: Westbrook
    Phoenix: Dragic
    Portland: Lillard
    Sacramento: Brooks/Thomas
    San Antonio: Parker
    Utah: Williams

    Once CBA rules and team assets are factored in, it seems pretty clear Jose's best option is to stick it out in Toronto and work his tail off to secure his next NBA contract using the MLE.
    The teams I feel would be interested in Jose's services (as in he'd be an upgrade over the current PG) are:

    -Chicago
    -Detroit
    -Indiana
    -Miami
    -Milwaukee
    -New York
    -Philadelphia
    -Orlando
    -Memphis
    -New Orleans
    -Phoenix
    -Sacramento
    -Utah

    I think there should be a lot of suitors for Calderon especially since when he signs next summer it should be for less than his current 10mil contract

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  • Mess
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    Nagging - possibly severely debilitating - injuries

    or did the ".." indicate that was sarcasm?

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