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  • #16
    Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    Post injury though?
    Good question. I'm not too familiar with labral tear hip injuries. Does anyone know if we're talking about the same seriousness as ACL tears, or is Chandler expected to make a full/speedy recovery?

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    • #17
      Nilanka wrote: View Post
      Is Chandler an upgrade over Fields? Yes, yes, and HELL YES!
      Chandler is coming off of season ending surgery. Before they shut him down he was playing like crap. How he comes back and how long he'll remain healthy is unknown at this point.

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      • #18
        Raptorfanatic wrote: View Post
        Man,

        Harrington, Afflalo and lottery protected 1st Rounder for Iguodala..... We could have offered a better package !
        That's not the package the Philadelphia received though. Philly added Bynum as the key piece to the trade. If they were wanting a top big-man for Iggy, would we have done that? What Philly added is not what Denver traded...Denver simply jumped in and took some advantage of the situation. Not as big of an advatage of LA, but still got a great deal due to everyone elses desires being met.
        http://twitter.com/m_shantz

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        • #19
          RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
          I've learned not to be so ignorant, and no,. I've decided, time to let Demar go if he doesn't perform up to his expectations.

          My questions is, Which of Chandler, Gallo, or Iggy would they be willing to part with? The likely one in that list is Chandler, being Gallo is quite the offensive player with good potential, and Iggy arguably an elite wing in the league.

          Chandler will be making $5,930,415 million next season, approx 25$ million left on his 4-year contract. Now the next question is... Is Chandler that much better than Fields? Chandler will be slightly cheaper, but Chandler is coming off an injury and only average play with the Nuggets this past season.


          http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9paxcb6

          Toronto Receives: SG/SF - Corey Brewer - $3,243,000 million 1-year expiring end of next season
          SF - Wilson Chandler - Approx 25$ million 4 years

          Denver Receives: F - Amir Johnson - $6,050,000 million 3-years Approx. 18$ millions
          SG - Demar Derozan - $3,344,250 1-year expiring end of next season

          Toronto clears out the log jam at the 4, and is able to create a diverse and versatile wing rotation of Fields, Chandler, Kleiza, Ross, and Brewer.
          Also, able to receive a cheaper expiring deal in Brewer's contract, and avoiding the large asking price on behalf of Demar's contract.
          With the trade deadline approaching throughout the season, or into next off-season, Jose's contract will be off the books, clearing up nearly $10 million in cap space.

          If Brewer is not resigned, and Jose is used on the amnesty provision, traded, or walks away, a possibility of 13$ million freed cap equals for good flexibility.

          Demar Derozan is a young, talented, promising guard with the ability to score. High level of athleticism, and potential. If lives up to the potential, could very well be a steal, if stays in the level at now. Denver receives a very capable shooting guard off the bench, to make a solid 6th man, and solid wing rotation with Iggy, Gallo, Derozan. Demar will be asking for a larger contract, but not at the amount Wilson Chandler is receiving. Making it a win-win situation financially and on the court.

          Amir Johnson's will be the rotation of Kenneth Faried. Very capable of starting, and giving fine production at both ends. Another energy player similar to Faried. Amir Johnson can also be used for the amnesty provision (correct if not mistaken) for Denver has not used it yet, to clear up cap space and acquire flexibility with the new CBA.

          Toronto: 2012-2013 Season Training Camp

          PG: Lowry, Jose, Lucas III
          SG: Fields, Ross, Brewer
          SF: Chandler, Kleiza, Anderson
          PF: Bargnani, Davis, Acy
          C: Valanciunas, Aaron Gray

          Denver: 2012-2013 Season Training Camp

          PG: Lawson, Miller, Stone, Hamilton
          SG: Iguodala, Derozan, Fournier
          SF: Gallinari, Q. Miller
          PF: Faried, Johnson, Randolph
          C: Mcgee, Mozgov, Koufos

          I think if we wanted one of Denver's wings, it would most likely be Chandler Denver parts with IMO, so this is a suggestion for Chandler.

          EDIT* The one attractive thing IMO, that Denver receives, is letting go of Chandler's contract, and acquiring Demar Derozan. Amir Johnson can be used as a trade-able asset, amnesty, however Denver chooses to use him, two players that can help financially and or on the court.

          This is far more realistic than Bargnani for Melo...
          Excellent post. This is one of the very few rational trade posts that I see on here. Much more thoughtful and realistic than the typical "lets trade Jose for [insert borderline all star here]".

          As one poster noted .. this isnt an obvious slam dunk win for the raps. But, you know what? Thats what 99% of trades are. On paper, they are pretty even .. but one team is taking a bet on a particular player or mix of players in their system and the other team is taking the opposite bet.

          In this case, if you think Chandler at his contract is better than DD at whatever you will have to sign him for (or I guess lose him if you dont sign him) - then you probably do it. It also has the advantage of unloading a not great contract in Amir (who plays a position we are deep at) for a good contract in Brewer (who plays a position that still has question marks).

          As I reflect .. I like this deal. Not cause Im necessarily crazy about Chandler .. more because Im not sure where DD is gonna take this team and like the mix of Ross with guys like Chandler more than with DD (as DD / TR are more similar).

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          • #20
            Nilanka wrote: View Post
            Is Chandler an upgrade over Fields? Yes, yes, and HELL YES!
            I agree. The problem is if you trade for Wilson Chandler and Landry Fields is not involved in said trade, you now have the $6 million man sitting on the bench.

            I am OK with that as long as Bionic Woman fights fembots as halftime entertainment. Mud not required but it would be a nice addition.

            I am also uncertain whether Wilson Chandler can be traded before 6 months have elapsed since he signed his contract extension with the Nuggets.

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            • #21
              Nilanka wrote: View Post
              Is Chandler an upgrade over Fields? Yes, yes, and HELL YES!
              He could be but I'm not sure he is that much of an upgrade.

              Granted the game is played on the court but a lot of advanced stats put them fairly close (with WS being an absolute win for LF).

              IMO, both guys are going to be question marks at this point: Fields yr1 vs yr2 and Chandler with hip injury.
              Last edited by mcHAPPY; Fri Aug 10th, 2012, 09:48 AM.

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              • #22
                Nilanka wrote: View Post
                Is Chandler an upgrade over Fields? Yes, yes, and HELL YES!
                I really don't think so. Not after hip surgery.
                “The saving of our world from pending doom will come, not through the complacent adjustment of the conforming majority, but through the creative maladjustment of a nonconforming minority.” - Martin Luther King

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                • #23
                  Hugmenot wrote: View Post
                  I agree. The problem is if you trade for Wilson Chandler and Landry Fields is not involved in said trade, you now have the $6 million man sitting on the bench.

                  I am OK with that as long as Bionic Woman fights fembots as halftime entertainment. Mud not required but it would be a nice addition.

                  I am also uncertain whether Wilson Chandler can be traded before 6 months have elapsed since he signed his contract extension with the Nuggets.
                  I thought it was 3 months or whichever was later. But because the NBA calendar year rolled over on July 1st, it doesn't matter. He can be traded whenever and to whatever team.

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                  • #24
                    Matt52 wrote: View Post
                    This is a double post. I am not sure where the best place for it to go is:


                    Denver is now looking like this on the wings (not sure of the positioning George Karl has in mind ):

                    SG: AI, Hamilton, Fournier
                    SF: Gallo, Chandler, Brewer, Miller

                    I'm not sure they would be looking for a trade.

                    They AI, Gallo, and Chandler as the main wing rotation with Chandler and AI capable at 2-guard. Hamilton, Fournier, Brewer, and Miller can fight for scraps as Brewer is an expiring contract, Fournier is on a 4 year rookie deal, Hamilton has 3 years left on his rookie deal, and Miller.... is he even signed yet?


                    Where Denver is thin is at PF. C is more than covered with McGee, Mosgov, and Koufos. Faried is the starter at PF. They signed Randolph who is still a major question mark. That is it for PF.
                    Masai Ujiri is being lauded as not one of the best, youngest GM in the league but THE BEST GM in the league. He has "leaped-frogged" his teacher in many ways.
                    “The saving of our world from pending doom will come, not through the complacent adjustment of the conforming majority, but through the creative maladjustment of a nonconforming minority.” - Martin Luther King

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                    • #25
                      RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
                      Calderon + Derozan + Amir/Ed should net us a very solid wing.
                      I'd want something beyond solid for that.

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                      • #26
                        Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
                        Masai Ujiri is being lauded as not one of the best, youngest GM in the league but THE BEST GM in the league. He has "leaped-frogged" his teacher in many ways.
                        Yup.

                        He has done very well with the hand he has been given.

                        It was incredible how he took a situation whereby Melo was holding the organization hostage and he managed to make the Knicks the ransom on his team behalf.

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                        • #27
                          Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
                          Masai Ujiri is being lauded as not one of the best, youngest GM in the league but THE BEST GM in the league. He has "leaped-frogged" his teacher in many ways.
                          He did a great job but honestly he had a lot more pieces available than toronto did. He does deserve a ton of credit with the moves he made espcially the melo fiasco and this recent AI trade. However the only problem with denver is they are in the western conference, so they really won't do much damage with LA and OKC

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                          • #28
                            Matt52 wrote: View Post
                            Yup.

                            He has done very well with the hand he has been given.

                            It was incredible how he took a situation whereby Melo was holding the organization hostage and he managed to make the Knicks the ransom on his team behalf.
                            Melo was a lot prettier asset than Chris Bosh and just like that Jazz brass, a lot was learned through the Raptors' and Cavs' hard lumps. The business of the sport has changed and it's unfortunate that the Raptors had to be an example of what not to do (ie: trusting in a man's word).

                            I'm not so sure Yuri is surpassing Colangelo. He's done well but he has a small track record. One really good play doesn't mean much if he pulls some bone head plays in the years to come. I do like how he handled the Melo situation. I guess he learned what not do to by studying past GM Rob Babcock's tactics when dealing with disgruntled stars.

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                            • #29
                              Apollo wrote: View Post
                              Melo was a lot prettier asset than Chris Bosh and just like that Jazz brass, a lot was learned through the Raptors' and Cavs' hard lumps. The business of the sport has changed and it's unfortunate that the Raptors had to be an example of what not to do (ie: trusting in a man's word).

                              I'm not so sure Yuri is surpassing Colangelo. He's done well but he has a small track record. One really good play doesn't mean much if he pulls some bone head plays in the years to come.
                              You're preaching to the choir, brother!

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                              • #30
                                I went in and added more past this point you quoted. I like to take shots at Babcock when it's fair and appropriate to do so.

                                It was also meant to be a subtle "it could be worse fellas".

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