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  • Interesting article on DeRozan

    I'm more upbeat than this guy, but he gives an informed outsiders take and the concerns he raises are legitimate. The whole series is worth a read if you have some time and need an offseason NBA fix. He's also done Bargnani already.

    http://gothicginobili.com/?p=4051#more-4051

  • #2
    Interesting read, on both players (look for "Player Capsules" upper right hand side). He says what many on this site have been saying, for both players. Also holds out the potential improvements from both players as rays of hope.

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    • #3
      thanks for sharing that.

      I don't see much to disagree with.

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      • #4
        Excellent insight into DeRozan. Thanks.

        I found Kleiza's capsule at http://gothicginobili.com/?p=3733

        Bargnani at http://gothicginobili.com/?p=3929

        former Raptor Gary Forbes at http://gothicginobili.com/?p=3818

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        • #5
          A lot of "Derozan isn't good enough, YET" implied in the capsule. I do agree with a lot, but potentially being a much better player this Summer makes me quite optimistic.

          Derozan already looked good in some instances with ball-handling and range in the Drew League - not NBA competition throughout the entire game - but if those individual things carry to training camp, he'll continue to tighten them up.

          Does anyone know which coach(es) is/are responsible for working with guards? I'm thinking Alvin Williams and Johnny Davis here.
          Twitter: @ReubenJRD NBA, Raptors writer for Daily Hive Vancouver, Toronto.

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          • #6
            I am souring on DeRozan a bit. I'm hopeful this is a good year for him
            For still frame photograph of me reading the DeRozan thread please refer to my avatar

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            • #7
              thead wrote: View Post
              I am souring on DeRozan a bit. I'm hopeful this is a good year for him
              This is what all the potential eventually leads to, in my opinion:

              the make or break season.

              This season is going to determine his future in the NBA. Is he a legit player or is he one of the dime a dozen wings in the league?

              One thing I feel confident in saying is few players gets the opportunities to showcase their talent like DeRozan has.

              For the record, I really do hope he puts it all together and becomes a solid piece of the Raptors for years to come (but while hopeful I am not optimistic).

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              • #8
                Matt52 wrote: View Post
                This is what all the potential eventually leads to, in my opinion:

                the make or break season.

                This season is going to determine his future in the NBA. Is he a legit player or is he one of the dime a dozen wings in the league?

                One thing I feel confident in saying is few players gets the opportunities to showcase their talent like DeRozan has.

                For the record, I really do hope he puts it all together and becomes a solid piece of the Raptors for years to come (but while hopeful I am not optimistic).
                Well I couldn't say that it's a make or break season in the sense that it would drastically change his career in the NBA (Mainly cuz he's still 23 years old), but rather this is a make or break season in the sense that it would decide whether he stays with the Raptors to get traded out by the trade deadline. I feel like at the age of 23, it's still too early to determine his future in the NBA. There is still the possibility of improvement at his age especially in the 3pt and defensive compartment. But I do agree that I'm not too optimistic on his improvement, but I definitely wouldn't mind being proven wrong.

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                • #9
                  Blacklash2k4 wrote: View Post
                  Well I couldn't say that it's a make or break season in the sense that it would drastically change his career in the NBA (Mainly cuz he's still 23 years old), but rather this is a make or break season in the sense that it would decide whether he stays with the Raptors to get traded out by the trade deadline. I feel like at the age of 23, it's still too early to determine his future in the NBA. There is still the possibility of improvement at his age especially in the 3pt and defensive compartment. But I do agree that I'm not too optimistic on his improvement, but I definitely wouldn't mind being proven wrong.
                  I agree with what you are saying but don't..... lol - if that makes any sense at all.

                  I don't think (and I could very well be wrong) that he'll get the opportunity(ies) elsewhere that he has in Toronto. That is why I call it make or break. I also don't think he'll get the money elsewhere that he could in Toronto due to the RFA rules unless another team pulls a 'Landry'.

                  He is still young at 23 but we are talking about this season and after this season he'll be 24. I am a firm believer bigs take a little longer to develop (please no one bring up Bargnani!) than wings. While he is 23 he has had 3 years as an NBA starter and again I keep coming back to the opportunities he has had to play - through good times and bad; through slumps and mistakes; offensively and defensively.

                  I do hope all of this is a moot point and he shuts me up with his play. With Lowry and Bargnani hopefully healthy and playing to the full capabilities they have shown, scoring and offense are not even the issue with DD (although efficiency would be a minor one). I want to see him become a much better than average defender on the wing.

                  I REALLY am rooting for him though. Despite my worthless internet ramblings on his play, he does seem like a good person.

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                  • #10
                    first off Matt, no one here would categorize your ramblings as worthless! A lil brown nosin but still, you keep it balanced and humble despite the fact you rep for the company line whereas the rest of us just pay bills.

                    but really. DeMar has improved, is not a finished prospect but after 3 years I have exactly the same opinion I did when he was drafted: role playing scorer in the mould of Luscious Harris or Kerry kitties. His mid range is more money then sonny's was (which was a thing of beauty) and his FT is a gem. He just needs to somehow make the refs open their eyes. He's easily the most overlooked slasher in the L and he works hard to get those calls. Will he ever be a 3 pt threat? maybe in 3-5 years but it's a long way away. Will he ever be able to create(aka h the handle question)? I dunno. Don't care.

                    DeMar has a very effective skill set. At the moment he's a 3rd option on a good team. His off the ball skills are evident if you watch the games but he's not been surrounded by people good enough or a system good enough to take advantage. I really think his ceiling is as a mo Pete or something if he can ever figure out the old man game but he's a very good piece. Not an all star, not a franchise player but he's a solid 10+year NBAer IMO. I really hope someone else overpays him but if he signs for an upper tier contract I wouldn't be unhappy. Good guy, healthy so far, hard worker. Even tho I think hes 3rd tier I'd give him a second tier contract just cuz he's our boy. And the team has asked far too much of him so far. Considering his college career (only came on at the end) I'm firmly a supporter.

                    Besides, everything other than scoring is Bargs level. If we waited 5 years for him I'm fine to see how Demar does cuttin to the mid post off a JV roll with Q Ross in a corner and KLow7 ready to crash hard. Can't wait.
                    LET'S GO RAP-TORS!!!!!

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                    • #11
                      derozan is going to be a stud, he just needs to pump up those quads, gain some explosiveness and tighten up his dribble (which he appears to be doing), hopefully he can prove this matt52 armchair douche wrong, but he's so far up BC's a s s he'll say he saw it happening a mile away. no wonder he got demoted from moderator......for being wrong all the time about EVERYTHING. But remember (the turd will remind you) it's just his opinion.....

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                      • #12
                        minks77 wrote: View Post
                        first off Matt, no one here would categorize your ramblings as worthless! A lil brown nosin but still, you keep it balanced and humble despite the fact you rep for the company line whereas the rest of us just pay bills.

                        but really. DeMar has improved, is not a finished prospect but after 3 years I have exactly the same opinion I did when he was drafted: role playing scorer in the mould of Luscious Harris or Kerry kitties. His mid range is more money then sonny's was (which was a thing of beauty) and his FT is a gem. He just needs to somehow make the refs open their eyes. He's easily the most overlooked slasher in the L and he works hard to get those calls. Will he ever be a 3 pt threat? maybe in 3-5 years but it's a long way away. Will he ever be able to create(aka h the handle question)? I dunno. Don't care.

                        DeMar has a very effective skill set. At the moment he's a 3rd option on a good team. His off the ball skills are evident if you watch the games but he's not been surrounded by people good enough or a system good enough to take advantage. I really think his ceiling is as a mo Pete or something if he can ever figure out the old man game but he's a very good piece. Not an all star, not a franchise player but he's a solid 10+year NBAer IMO. I really hope someone else overpays him but if he signs for an upper tier contract I wouldn't be unhappy. Good guy, healthy so far, hard worker. Even tho I think hes 3rd tier I'd give him a second tier contract just cuz he's our boy. And the team has asked far too much of him so far. Considering his college career (only came on at the end) I'm firmly a supporter.

                        Besides, everything other than scoring is Bargs level. If we waited 5 years for him I'm fine to see how Demar does cuttin to the mid post off a JV roll with Q Ross in a corner and KLow7 ready to crash hard. Can't wait.
                        I'm not sure I agree with 3rd option on a good team but we'll find out soon enough. He likely will be the third option this year and we'll see how good the Raptors will be. 'Good' is relative but I wouldn't call squeaking in to the playoffs 'good'. If anything it is average.... just my opinion though.

                        I like your post but it speaks to the very one dimensional part of his game. Scoring is not the issue - at least not in terms of efficiency. It is everything else. The only thing I'd compare DD's deficiencies to Bargnani is the lack of rebounding stats. Barg's is a good one on one defender, can pass, and has a more rounded offensive game.

                        Totally disagree on giving him a bigger contract than worth or overpaying because he has been part of the franchise for the long time. The Raps want to get better and keeping same parts while overpaying for them is only going to keep them treading water at best. The Raps might have asked too much of him but that speaks to the endless opportunities he has had to play. Definitely agree there has been a lack of talent around him - especially on offensive end when Bargnani was out.

                        Like I said, I do hope he proves me wrong. I've been wrong before so we could just add this to the list.

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                        • #13
                          akashsingh wrote: View Post
                          derozan is going to be a stud, he just needs to pump up those quads, gain some explosiveness and tighten up his dribble (which he appears to be doing), hopefully he can prove this matt52 armchair douche wrong, but he's so far up BC's a s s he'll say he saw it happening a mile away. no wonder he got demoted from moderator......for being wrong all the time about EVERYTHING. But remember (the turd will remind you) it's just his opinion.....
                          I do apologize my posts seem to offend you and I do thank you for showing restraint in your analysis.

                          FYI, there is an ignore option where you can block every post I submit. The only time you'll be subjected to my BC-ass-exploring, douche-baggery, or turd spewing is if someone quotes me.

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                          • #14
                            Matt52 wrote: View Post
                            I'm not sure I agree with 3rd option on a good team but we'll find out soon enough. He likely will be the third option this year and we'll see how good the Raptors will be. 'Good' is relative but I wouldn't call squeaking in to the playoffs 'good'. If anything it is average.... just my opinion though.

                            I like your post but it speaks to the very one dimensional part of his game. Scoring is not the issue - at least not in terms of efficiency. It is everything else. The only thing I'd compare DD's deficiencies to Bargnani is the lack of rebounding stats. Barg's is a good one on one defender, can pass, and has a more rounded offensive game.

                            Totally disagree on giving him a bigger contract than worth or overpaying because he has been part of the franchise for the long time. The Raps want to get better and keeping same parts while overpaying for them is only going to keep them treading water at best. The Raps might have asked too much of him but that speaks to the endless opportunities he has had to play. Definitely agree there has been a lack of talent around him - especially on offensive end when Bargnani was out.

                            Like I said, I do hope he proves me wrong. I've been wrong before so we could just add this to the list.
                            LET'S GO RAP-TORS!!!!!

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                            • #15
                              minks77 wrote: View Post
                              First off I think DeMar will be a decent scorer and a mediocre/adequate everything else. He could develop range but that's about it, I think the potential for him to be anything superstarish was a figment of raptor nations desperation. He's always been a fairly one dimensional player and he always will be. That being said I nee to clarify my earlier comment. When I said overpay I meant give him 6 instead of 5 million per
                              I could live with 5 or 6. I was thinking you meant like 8, 9, or 10 range.

                              Assuming he doesn't have an outstanding year proving the naysayers wrong, I wonder how he would fare in a 6th man role?

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